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Hedgehog's dilemma Introverts read
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First time reading about it. Seems legit though I might just be really high.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog%27s_dilemma
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The hedgehog's dilemma, or sometimes the porcupine dilemma, is a metaphor about the challenges of human intimacy. It describes a situation in which a group of hedgehogs all seek to become close to one another in order to share heat during cold weather. They must remain apart, however, as they cannot avoid hurting one another with their sharp spines. Though they all share the intention of a close reciprocal relationship, this may not occur, for reasons they cannot avoid.

Both Arthur Schopenhauer and Sigmund Freud have used this situation to describe what they feel is the state of individual in relation to others in society. The hedgehog's dilemma suggests that despite goodwill, human intimacy cannot occur without substantial mutual harm, and what results is cautious behavior and weak relationships. With the hedgehog's dilemma, one is recommended to use moderation in affairs with others both because of self-interest, as well as out of consideration for others. The hedgehog's dilemma is used to explain introversion and isolationism.



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The concept originates in the following parable from the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer's Parerga und Paralipomena, Volume II, Chapter XXXI, Section 396:[1]

    A number of porcupines huddled together for warmth on a cold day in winter; but, as they began to prick one another with their quills, they were obliged to disperse. However the cold drove them together again, when just the same thing happened. At last, after many turns of huddling and dispersing, they discovered that they would be best off by remaining at a little distance from one another. In the same way the need of society drives the human porcupines together, only to be mutually repelled by the many prickly and disagreeable qualities of their nature. The moderate distance which they at last discover to be the only tolerable condition of intercourse, is the code of politeness and fine manners; and those who transgress it are roughly told—in the English phrase—to keep their distance. By this arrangement the mutual need of warmth is only very moderately satisfied; but then people do not get pricked. A man who has some heat in himself prefers to remain outside, where he will neither prick other people nor get pricked himself.




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The dilemma has received empirical attention within the contemporary psychological sciences. Jon Maner and his colleagues (Nathan DeWall, Roy Baumeister, and Mark Schaller) referred to Schopenhauer's "porcupine problem" when interpreting results from experiments examining how people respond to ostracism and other forms of social rejection.[2] Their results revealed that, for people who are chronically anxious, the experience of rejection led people to be relatively unsociable; but among people with more optimistic dispositions, the experience of rejection led to intensified efforts to get close to others. They concluded,

    This last point is worth remembering when one considers the answer that Schopenhauer himself supplied to the porcupine problem. Schopenhauer suggested that people ultimately feel compelled to retain a safe distance from each other. "By this arrangement," he wrote, "the mutual need for warmth is only very moderately satisfied; but then people do not get pricked" (1851/1964, p. 226). Of course, Schopenhauer was known for his sour temperament – "It is hard to find in his life evidences of any virtue except kindness to animals... In all other respects he was completely selfish" (Russell, 1945, p. 758) – and his philosophy was famous for its pessimism.[3]





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Re: The Hedgehog can never be buggered at all. [Re: Eggtimer]
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You can bugger the bear, if you do it with care,
    in the winter, when he is asleep in his lair,
    Though I would not advise it in spring or in fall--
    but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    If you're feeling quite coarse, you can bugger the horse,
    or the palfrey, the jennet, the stallion (with force),
    You can bugger the donkey, the mare, or the mule,
    Though to bugger the pony is needlessly cruel.

    You can bugger the ox (if you stand on a box)
    And vulpologists say you can bugger the fox,
    You can bugger the shrew, though it's awfully small--
    but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    Herpetologists gasp you can bugger the asp,
    Entomologists claim you can bugger the wasp.
    If an insects your thing, man, then just have a ball--
    But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    And the elephant too, that you meet in the zoo,
    Can be buggered if you are sure just what to do,
    You will need a large mattress upon which to fall--
    but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    You can bugger the bees if your down on your knees,
    You can bugger the termites with terminal ease
    you can bugger the beetle, the ladybug (bird!) too,
    there's no end to the buggering that you can do.

    You can bugger the cat if it isn't to fat
    You can bugger the rabbit you draw from your hat
    You can bugger the shark that you've chased in your yawl--
    but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    You can bugger the ermine, and all other vermin,
    like rats, mice, and roaches, if your not discernin'.
    You can bugger the dog, it will come when you call--
    but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    Although Mr. Tiggy is not very big, he
    Avoids with great ease those who fancy his ass.
    He just curls in a ball, shows his prickles and all--
    And the would-be seducer leaves him in the grass

    If you're that kind of fool, and you have a long tool,
    Do it with a giraffe, if you stand on a stool,
    Catch a yeti, who lives in the snows of Nepal--
    but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    For the hedgehog escapes the posterior rapes
    Performed upon others of different shapes
    Those who run, swim, or slither, they get it withal--
    But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    It is said, if you try, you can bugger the fly,
    Or the swallow as it skims so skilfully by,
    Use a noose or a net, or lime (if you've the gall)--
    but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all

    You can bugger the cow (I will not tell you how),
    Or the boar, or the piglet, the shoat or the sow,
    You can bugger the ass as it stands in the stall--
    But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    You can order or shoo 'im, or run a knife through 'im
    The one thing you cannot do is stick it to 'im.
    If you try to seduce 'im, you'll end in a fix,
    His prickles defend him against rampant pricks.

    You can bugger the ram, you can bugger the lamb,
    You can bugger the ewe, though the wether's a sham,
    You can bugger the tiger (it may caterwaul)
    But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    You can bugger the seal, you can bugger the eel,
    You can bugger the crab, though they say it can't feel,
    You can bugger the bat as the night casts its pall,
    But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    You can bugger the snake (hold it down with a rake),
    Though to bugger the quetzal may be a mistake.
    You can bugger the billy, the nanny the kid,
    But to bugger the hedgehog just cannot be did.

    You can bugger the slug, though it messes the rug,
    You can bugger the different species of bug,
    Or do it with a snail, if you slow to a crawl,
    But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.

    At the end of the day, when you've had your rough way
    With all of those creatures, you'll just have to say
    "That damned Erinaceous has been my downfall--"
    For the hedgehog can never be buggered at all!


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