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Let them eat ...crow
    #2091019 - 11/11/03 01:41 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Let Them Eat Crow
By Hsing Lee,  September 16, 2003

My, how the mighty have fallen. It wasn?t so long ago that G W Bush was standing before the United Nations, trying to bully the UN into giving legitimacy to American designs on Iraqi oil. He threatened that if the UN did not help invade Iraq, it would prove itself ?irrelevant to our times.?



Bush claimed that America would go it alone, if necessary. He boasted that America needed no help, and that if the UN chose not to support the US, it would be putting it?s future in jeopardy.



Now, not even 200 American body bags later, Supreme Court Precedent Bush is going back to the United Nations begging for help. He can?t get the oil flowing, he can?t restore essential services, he can?t form a working coalition government because no one of integrity wants to be America?s puppet. He can?t stop attacks on Americans in Iraq either.


The ONLY thing he can do, as American governments always do, is oppress people, set up privatized prisons, and commit murder in the name of profit. And the race based murder game can only continue for so long when the other side fights back, because politically, American politicians can?t create large amounts of body bags and get re-elected.



So Bush is hoping to spread the death around a little, and get Germans and French and Indians and Turks killed on behalf of Bechtel and Kellogg Brown and Root in the place of Americans. That?s what this new UN Resolution is all about.



The illegitimate Bush regime is attempting to get the UN to place UN soldiers under U.S. command. They?re trying to retain the position of control and ?dominance? in Iraq, especially where JP Morgan?s control of the Iraqi central bank is concerned. Bush even designed Executive Order 13303 to protect Morgan and the Oil companies from outside interests. EO 13303 makes it so that the US Government will not recognize any judgment from any court, American OR international, regarding Iraqi oil. EO 13303 makes Iraqi oil the sole property of the USA, in the eyes of the Bush regime.



Despite this, the Bushies expect the UN to come aboard and be massa?s Toby.


I implore every member state of the United Nations to take a stand against US aggression now, by refusing to bend to the will of the fascists who have taken control of the United States Government away from the People.


They made their bed, let them lie in it. Let their mercenaries die in it. Let them eat crow until they?re blue in the face, and do as much to help America in Iraq as the America has done for Africans and Asians and Arabs: absolutely nothing.



If they cannot get the oil flowing within two years, the US economy is dead. The best thing the UN can do for the world at this point is to sit back and let America hang itself as Washington hemorrhages money in a war it can?t win.



The UN doesn?t have to help the Islamists. They don?t have to work against America. All they have to do is absolutely nothing, and America is a dead duck.



Yes, this will result in massive loss of Arab lives.



But isn?t a few million dead today far better than the tens of millions who will die if the US is allowed to continue it?s string of continuous genocides from the Spanish American war to the present?



We have to accept that we are, and have been, at war with U.S. Industrial powers for more than a century. The American military industrial complex has been waging perpetual war for profit since the Spanish American War. Over and over since they successfully used Hitler to pull America out of the Great Depression, they have armed tyrants, then turned around and claimed those tyrants were evil and militaristic after having armed them.



The result has always been billions of dollars in profits for Wall Street.



The only way this will end is when the US Military industrial complex and all its subsidiary industries are destroyed, and all those in government, think tanks and industry who helped propagate this economic system are executed for crimes against humanity. This will not happen until there is a major paradigm shift in the USA. This shift cannot happen until the US economy crashes to a grinding halt, because the population is too inherently selfish to question their good fortune. Until they suffer a little, they will see no reason to change their ways.



I urge every member state of the United Nations not to support the US and Great Britain in Iraq. I urge the member states to vote against any resolution the US tables for the disarmament of any future ?rogue? nation, unless that resolution also includes the complete and total disarmament of Israel.



I urge the member states to do absolutely nothing to help the United States continue to oppress and commit genocide against colored people at will, by voting NO to anything and everything the illegitimate Bush administration brings to the table, until they are able to prove their legitimacy by winning an election.


Despite the Fifteenth Amendment to the US Constitution, which guarantees that the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude; and despite the Eighteenth and Twenty Sixth Amendments, Florida Governor Jeb Bush has denied the right to vote to more than 90,000 legitimately registered voters.


I urge the United Nations to send international observers to Florida in 2004, to ensure that people of color are not threatened and harassed by white police officers while trying to vote, as they were in 2000. I urge the UN to table a resolution demanding that Florida Governor Jeb Bush restore voting status to the 90,000 mostly black Democratic voters he removed from the state?s voting register in 2000 and 2002.



Consider that if Robert Mugabe or Slobodan Milosevic had tried to remove the names of 90,000 white voters or 90,000 U.S. friendly voters from the polls in Zimbabwe or Serbia, the U.S. would most likely declare the elections illegitimate, and invade those countries. The same standard should apply to the United States of America.



Observe the double standards at work in Iraq. America claims it wants to bring freedom to Iraq, but they refuse to allow free and fair elections.



They are taking away Iraqis freedom of assembly.



Despite the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights which Americans enjoy, rights which Bush promised Iraqis would enjoy when Saddam Hussein was gone, America refuses to allow free speech, forcing Iraqi TV news to pass through U.S. government censors.



Despite the Second Amendment guaranteeing the right to bear arms and form organized militias of the people, Americans are confiscating the guns of Iraqi citizens, and refusing to allow them to form militias. US Civil Obersturmfuhrer Paul Bremer has even said, "We believe that there is no role in the new Iraq for organized militias."


In otherwords, Iraqis will never enjoy the same rights as Americans, so long as America is illegally occupying Iraqi soil.



Despite the Fourth Amendment which guarantees freedom from illegal search and seizure, Iraqis and Afghans have been subjected to house to house searches without warrant or probable cause.



Despite the Fifth Amendment, the Bush administration is close to declaring the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui null and void, and are likely to subject him to double jeopardy before a military tribunal, because they have no legitimate case against Moussaoui which can stand up in an open court. Furthermore, despite the fact that the Fifth Amendment says ?no person? and not ?no American? (thus protecting eveyone), hundreds if not thousands of Muslims are being held without liberty, or property, or due process of law at Guantanamo Bay.



Despite the Sixth Amendment, the Bush administration is attempting to deny Mr. Moussaoui access to witnesses. They are attempting to avoid public trial, and are insisting on ?secret evidence? which the defense is not allowed to see. They are also denying the right to legal counsel to the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.


Despite the Seventh Amendment, the Bush administration has issued Executive Order 13303 declaring all common law judgments related to US control of Iraqi oil to be null and void.


Despite the Eighth Amendment, prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are being tortured, beaten, and even killed during interrogation, which amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.



Despite the Ninth Amendment, America is using its laws to deny and disparage the rights of others.

The Declaration of Independence says that ?all men are created equal, with certain inalienable rights." These rights are spelled out in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

But Dick Cheney is on record as saying that ?terrorists don?t deserve Constitutional rights." What can we observe from this?

First, we can observe that Mr. Cheney does not believe that one is innocent until proven guilty, because if one is to be tried for terrorism without Constitutional rights, then clearly a pre-determination of guilt for the crime of terrorism has taken place.

Second, we can observe that since ALL men are created equal under the Constitution, but those Muslims who Mr. Cheney has pre-judged as terrorists don?t deserve Constitutional rights, then clearly Mr. Cheney does not see Muslims as men, or as human beings.

Third, we can observe that Mr. Cheney does not understand that the word ?rights? and the word ?privileges? have different meanings in the dictionary. Rights CANNOT be taken away, and thus Mr. Cheney in his own words spits on the concept that all men are created equal, with certain inalienable rights.

Fourth, Mr. Cheney swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Isn't disempowering the Constitution (an act of "high treason"), punishable by death? Who's guilty here?


I urge the United Nations to reject all American pleas for assistance until such time as they withdraw all forces from Iraq, rescind Executive Order 13303, and return control of the oil and the central bank to the Iraqi people.


Skulls, Bones & Megabucks



Some of you are aware of the Yale Fraternity, the Yale Fraternal Order of the Skull and Bones. Some of you know that Prescott Bush, G H W Bush, and G W Bush are all members of this fraternity whose founders family values were white supremacy, black slavery, and drug dealing.



The Skull and Bones was founded in 1832 by the Russell Trust, using the Russell family?s fortune amassed from slave and opium trading.



Never mind the implications of a president of the United States being a member of such an offensive anachronism. What?s worse is the degree of cronyism being displayed in Iraq as Skull and Bones connected companies and families get rich while Iraqis suffer and American taxpayer?s foot the bill. The theft is nothing short of astounding.



The major think-tanks who?ve been pushing for war in Afghanistan and Iraq are the Project For a New American Century, and the Rand Corporation.



The really big contracts have been going to Kellogg, Brown, and Root, a division of Halliburton, the company Dickhead Cheney used to run, which he used to illegally trade with Libya and Iran. Rand has a vested interest in war, because Ingersoll-Rand is a major defense contractor.



The following family surnames are all on the Skull and Bones register: Bush, Cheney, Kellogg, Brown, Root, Ingersoll, and Rand.



Gee, you think there?s some insider favoritism going on here?


These people are not some shadow conspiracy. They?re an openly operating arms and drugs cartel, and should be prosecuted under RICO predicates for racketeering. There?s a pile of two million skeletons in Iraq, all of whom have family, who have a very real case to make in American courts. After they serve their time for racketeering, the principals in all these companies and offices should be handed over to an International Criminal Court, tried, and executed for crimes against humanity.



Equally offensive is the 5-year slap on the wrist given to Enron Treasurer Ben Glisan. He copped a plea and got five years for securities fraud. FIVE YEARS? For ruining thousands of lives, and costing investors untold billions? For being part of the trigger event that led to the biggest stock market crash in US History?



Put this in perspective. John Boncore, a/k/a John Hill, got five years in prison and was sent to Attica for stealing a submarine sandwich. Dozens of people are doing 20 to life in California prisons for such heinous crimes as stealing a candy bar or a bicycle. Ben Glisan, Ken Lay, Jeff Skilling, and Andrew Fastow should be HANGED.



So far, no one?s even charged Skilling or Lay with a crime. If you ask me, the people should show up at their doorsteps and deliver a little street justice.



But, there?s always a little good news every now and then. Apparently, a Kellogg, Brown and Root employee got blown up in Iraq, KBR?s first on the job.



The downside to this (there?s always a downside) is that the Insurance companies now have a reason to raise insurance rates even higher for private contractors working with the U.S. Military, and those costs will naturally be passed on to you, the taxpayer. But in my opinion, this small deficit increase is worth it, if we get to see more people from KBR and Bechtel die until they get scared and decide to stay home, or decide not to show up for work and leave the military hanging with their dicks in the wind.



But if you look closer at the Business Week piece, the numbers are just appalling.



??For its work in support of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, KBR has billed the U.S. government about $950 million for work completed under contracts capped at $8.2 billion. At the same time, KBR is in line to earn tens of millions of dollars more to maintain the archipelago of U.S. military bases that now arcs from the Balkans south to the Horn of Africa and east to Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan. Closer to home, KBR built the detention camps in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, that house Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners. All in all, no corporation has played as central a role in America's global anti-terrorism campaign -- or profited as handsomely from it -- as KBR.

The company's high-profile success in winning contracts, coupled with its intimate ties to the White House, has aroused suspicions that it is a beneficiary of political favoritism. Although Cheney no longer owns stock in Halliburton, he was its chairman and CEO for five years and either hired or promoted many of the executives now running Halliburton and KBR. At the insistence of two powerful House Democrats, Henry A. Waxman of California and John D. Dingell of Michigan, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of the U.S. Congress, is looking into the issue of whether KBR has received special treatment in the awarding of Defense Dept. contracts over the past two years??



But you know what? That?s not even the offensive part. The Bushies are giving these contracts to their Bones buddies at the expense of their British allies.


?Earlier this month, USAID invited five US engineering giants to submit bids for Iraq reconstruction work expected to be worth up to $900m. The companies were Bechtel, Louis Berger, Fluor, Kellogg Brown & Root and The Parsons Corporation. USAID plans call for operating ports and airports and repairing utility networks, roads, bridges, schools and hospitals. UK construction firms have complained privately about not being invited to bid. But it is thought possible that some will pick up sub-contracting work from US lead contractors.?

And this STILL isn?t the stinkiest part of the deal.


Bagdad Burning

??One of my cousins works in a prominent engineering company in Baghdad- we?ll call the company H. This company is well-known for designing and building bridges all over Iraq. My cousin, a structural engineer, is a bridge freak. He spends hours talking about pillars and trusses and steel structures to anyone who?ll listen.

As May was drawing to a close, his manager told him that someone from the CPA wanted the company to estimate the building costs of replacing the New Diyala Bridge on the South East end of Baghdad. He got his team together, they went out and assessed the damage, decided it wasn?t too extensive, but it would be costly. They did the necessary tests and analyses (mumblings about soil composition and water depth, expansion joints and girders) and came up with a number they tentatively put forward- $300,000. This included new plans and designs, raw materials (quite cheap in Iraq), labor, contractors, travel expenses, etc.

Let?s pretend my cousin is a dolt. Let?s pretend he hasn?t been working with bridges for over 17 years. Let?s pretend he didn?t work on replacing at least 20 of the 133 bridges damaged during the first Gulf War. Let?s pretend he?s wrong and the cost of rebuilding this bridge is four times the number they estimated- let?s pretend it will actually cost $1,200,000. Let?s just use our imagination.

A week later, the New Diyala Bridge contract was given to an American company. This particular company estimated the cost of rebuilding the bridge would be around- brace yourselves- $50,000,000??


Don?t it just make you wanna puke?



If I had to guess, I would bet that the offending party who put forth a US$50m quote for doing a $300,000 repair job was Bechtel. Bechtel has wanted to get its claws on Iraq since the Reagan administration. Rummy?s their guy. And I?m guessing this is just one of many kickbacks being paid to loyal Republican supporters. I say this because Bechtel recently received a US$680m rebuilding contract. Pretty bad right? Regardless, Bush wants another $87 billion to ?rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan.? Which is fine, if he was actually going to use the money to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan. In reality, the only thing he?s rebuilding are the portfolios of his military industrial complex pals.



What do I mean?



Get this: only 22% of the rebuilding money is marked for reconstruction.



78% of that budget is going to be spent by the military!!!



The New York Times writes:

??President Bush's $87 billion request for postwar costs is heavily weighted to maintaining military operations, with $65.5 billion directed to the armed forces, $15 billion toward rebuilding Iraq and $5 billion toward building its security forces, and $800 million to new spending for civilian programs in Afghanistan, administration officials said today??

That?s 0.91% for rebuilding Afghanistan. 17.24% for rebuilding Iraq. 5.75% probably goes to Vinnell corporation, for training Iraqis. And the military industrial complex gets the rest. Pissed off yet?

If not, read the Washington Post story about Halliburton and its subsidiary, Kellogg, Brown, and Root. We STILL don?t know the total of their contracts with the Bushies.


In May, it was thought to be US$7 billion over two years.


Now Business Week says it?s at least US$8.2 billion.


Which is bad, but not nearly as bad as the fact that while Bush is calling for US$87 billion to ?rebuild Iraq? and giving 78% (US$62.5b) of that money to the military instead, the reality is that even if Bush gets his US$87 billion, Iraqi reconstruction is STILL going to be under funded by? now get this? 55 billion dollars.



The La Times writes:



?WASHINGTON ? The White House acknowledged Monday that it substantially underestimated the cost of rebuilding Iraq and that even the additional $87 billion it was seeking from a wary Congress would fall far short of what is needed for postwar reconstruction.

Administration officials said President Bush's emergency spending request ? which would push the U.S. budget deficit above the half-trillion-dollar mark for the first time ? still left a reconstruction funding gap of as much as $55 billion??


Extrapolate those numbers. US$87b gets you US$15b for rebuilding, so for Bush to get another US$55b for rebuilding means the American taxpayer is going to have to dump another US$319b into Iraq after the original US$87b, bringing the total to a whopping US$406 billion stolen from the pockets of American taxpayers if Bush gets his way. And that number doesn?t include the US$79 billion Bush has already spent on Iraq.


At least they?re living up to their Evangelical Gospel image: ?Gonna take you higher, higher and higher!?


Comparative Insanity



Check out the graph at the Washington Post and absorb the info.



So now that you have some idea of the corporate cronyism going down in the Fourth Reich, it?s time to compare this spending to Bush?s 2004 budget. Let?s start with education.


Bush?s campaign 2000 centerpiece, Leave No Child Behind, has been deliberately under funded by Bush from day one. It?s under funded once again in the Department of Education 2004 budget. Total spending for the Department of Education in 2004: US$59.52 billion.

But this is very deceptive. Only US$31.1 billion actually goes to elementary and high schools - a full six billion cut out of the No Child Left Behind budget. That makes US$12 billion in cuts to Leave No Child Behind in just two years. To put that in perspective, the amount Bush has cheated No Child Left Behind out of is the same amount as this year?s budget for No Child Left Behind, which is US$12b of a promised US$18b. Read more.

To make matters worse, one result of Leave No Child Behind has been the ballooning of class sizes in schools which qualified for the Title 1 grants, the result of which is classes as large as 40 students, with no end to this migration in sight. This migration is also likely to bring next year?s improvement average down, which could jeopardize the school?s Title 1 grant status for next year, resulting in more student migration.



No Child Left Behind Law Leaves No Room for Some:



?BOYS and girls, I apologize for not having enough chairs," said Brent Wyso, the sixth-grade math teacher at Intermediate School 89. "We will be getting more chairs."



On Monday for the first day of school, Mr. Wyso had 37 in a class and had to have several children sit on a bench, holding their backpacks on their laps. Alex Lee, the sixth-grade social studies teacher, ran out of space at his tables, and four children sat on the floor writing on clipboards. Mr. Lee was teaching a lesson on artifacts using an overhead projector, but several students in the back and on the sides had trouble seeing. "It could get worse," he said. "They've told us class size can go to 40."


??But just days before school opened, she was informed by city officials that she would be receiving many additional student transfers under the federal No Child Left Behind law. The 2002 law permits children at failing schools to transfer to better schools in the city if there is room. The principal did not know how many would show up. Several who came on Monday had troubled academic records. One child was late 80 times last year at the previous school and failed three classes.



Nor had she been told anything about any extra resources for I.S. 89's newly overcrowded classes and its new students with more challenging problems. On the contrary; Ms. Foote's budget had been cut. Over the summer, she had to lay off a teacher, and will not be offering Spanish to sixth graders. She had to cut back her after-school remedial program to 18 weeks from 30 weeks. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has said he wants middle school literacy classes limited to 28. Ms. Foote has 32 to 37 in her classes. "They say these things that have nothing to do with reality," she said. "How could they wait until the week before school to do this? How are we supposed to plan?"



So under Bush?s plan, in a school that actually qualified for Leave No Child Behind money, the kids most in need get only 60% of the help they used to get, class sizes have ballooned, kids are forced to sit on the floor with a clipboard like in third world countries, they can no longer teach 2nd language classes for sixth graders, and Bush continues to steal 33% of the Leave No Child Behind money for his pals at KBR, Bechtel, and the Military Industrial Complex.



You see what Bush is doing here? He?s deliberately destroying the few remaining good schools, so the next generation of poor kids will be too stupid to be good for anything but menial labor. He?s niggerizing ALL Americans - be they black, white, brown, yellow, or red. The US$31.1b for American schools is half as much as the US$62.5 Bush wants to spend on the military in Iraq and Afghanistan, over and on top of the ?official? US$358.2 billion in the DoD budget for 2004.



And guess what? That?s not even the real budget. It?s a paper budget, because there?s already an additional US$16.6 billion in supplemental spending built in, which they don?t mention on the front page, but put at the very bottom of the last page in fine print.

I guess Bush thinks your kid?s future is only half as important as securing Iraqi and Afghan oil for his neo-conservative pals. And he?s under funding Leave No Child Behind at a time when American kids are more ignorant, and more homogenously zombified, than at any other time in history.



Just think about how much of that Pentagon money is flowing to Bush?s military industrial complex pals. Then add it up. 50 million kids are getting 7% of the amount being given to the military industrial complex, which only employs about two to three million people in the private sector.



There was one other big issue Bush got slammed on in 2001: reductions in the Department of Agriculture budget. So he put together this vote getting ?Farm Bill? which was supposed to be a US$170 billion long-term farm package.


Check the budget. Bush reduced discretionary spending by US$32 million, and short-changed mandatory spending, just like he short-changed Leave No Child Behind.



He?s leaving kids and farmers behind, in order to leave no Brent Sweet Crude behind.



I?m betting at least two other things get left behind as well. Smart money says the $400 billion prescription-drug package for seniors gets underfunded. I say this because Bush can pull a bait and switch here easily. During the State of the Union address, he already told Seniors how important they were, and that they were getting a prescription drug package. So my bet is if they don?t announce the cut, and just do it, the Democrats aren?t going to scream too loudly. They?re going to cede the drug package without complaint, because doing so will save their own pork barrel programs.



The other thing I think Bush leaves behind? I bet he?s going to be forced into a ?read my lips? deal, and will have to uncut tens of billions from his tax cut, probably taken from the middle class.


As if this isn?t enough to be pissed off about, there are also the recent goings-on in Afghanistan to shake a fist at. While Bush is busting bong shops and forcing Californians to flee to Vancouver for Political Asylum, he?s also supporting the opium trade in Afghanistan, a very lucrative narcotics business in which members of the Karzai government are involved.



Thanks to Bush, Opium production has gone from 75 tonnes under the Taliban in 2001 to more than 3000 tonnes per year in 2002 and 2003. And Bush continues to waive sanctions against the Karzai government in Afghanistan, allowing a river of opium to flow along the Silk Road.



This should come as no surprise to anyone, considering that G W Bush ia, after all, a member of the Yale Fraternal Order of the Skull and Bones: a boys club whose founders made their money by taking opium out of South Asia, and by exporting Africans to the Americas against their will. So as I said, it should surprise no one that Bush is letting opium flow freely from South Asia, and is exporting colored people from Afghanistan to the Americas.



Ironically, one of the ports used most frequently by the slave traders in the Russell family?s day was, you guessed it, Cuba. No big deal, right? Just a third generation Bonesman living up to Skull and Bones family values.



So what to do about all this comparative insanity?



IMPEACH THE MOTHERFUCKER!


:smile:
www.votetoimpeach.org

 


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Re: Let them eat ...crow [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2093333 - 11/11/03 06:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

See that button with the arrow to the down and left? Try pressing that a few times less.

I didn't read all of that, because I got the jist of it quite early on, but didn't the UN Secretary General think it was a GOOD idea for UN troops to be in Iraq to help with the rebuilding?

Also, which is it, Hallburton is fixing all of the oil pumps and making a trillion dollars a second doing it, or we aren't? You can't have it both ways.


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Re: Let them eat ...crow [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2093400 - 11/11/03 06:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Psilocybeingzz said:
Now, not even 200 American body bags later, Supreme Court Precedent Bush is going back to the United Nations begging for help. He can?t get the oil flowing, he can?t restore essential services, he can?t form a working coalition government because no one of integrity wants to be America?s puppet. He can?t stop attacks on Americans in Iraq either.





How does a "supreme court precedent" relate to the title of President of the United States?  Also, Kofi Annan supports this measure, and he did as much as he could to get support for it. Is the US trying to hurt civilians, or harm them, by having a multilateral humanitarian aide program set up? Which one is it?




The ONLY thing he can do, as American governments always do, is oppress people, set up privatized prisons, and commit murder in the name of profit. And the race based murder game can only continue for so long when the other side fights back, because politically, American politicians can?t create large amounts of body bags and get re-elected.



The only thing that American goverments do is opress people? This comment might hurt this guys change of getting his "objectivity" license revoked :smile:  Also, his last sentance simply doesn't makee sensee.

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So Bush is hoping to spread the death around a little, and get Germans and French and Indians and Turks killed on behalf of Bechtel and Kellogg Brown and Root in the place of Americans. That?s what this new UN Resolution is all about.




I highly doubt that any "proof" that Bush's goal is to have Germans, French,Indians, and Turks killed exists anywhere.  The UN resolution is about sending in support from other member-nations to help build Iraq into a functioning government.

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The illegitimate Bush regime is attempting to get the UN to place UN soldiers under U.S. command. They?re trying to retain the position of control and ?dominance? in Iraq, especially where JP Morgan?s control of the Iraqi central bank is concerned. Bush even designed Executive Order 13303 to protect Morgan and the Oil companies from outside interests. EO 13303 makes it so that the US Government will not recognize any judgment from any court, American OR international, regarding Iraqi oil. EO 13303 makes Iraqi oil the sole property of the USA, in the eyes of the Bush regime.




"illegatime regime" is all I needed to read there. The oil in Iraq shouldn't be entirely US property, but they do owe us money for having to defeat them and liberate Kuwait. Also, aren't we giving this nation a few billion dollars in aid and, possibly, zero interest loans? How does that fit into this mans belief that we are bilking them? And a few paragraphs up, wasn't he saying that we still haven't found a wya to get the oil pumping yet? Which one is it?

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I implore every member state of the United Nations to take a stand against US aggression now, by refusing to bend to the will of the fascists who have taken control of the United States Government away from the People.




I continue my assertation that the word "facist" is nothing more than a loaded term used to downgrade people without actually having a point to make. Looking at the racial makeup of Bush's staff certaintly doesn't give credence to the "facist" statement.

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They made their bed, let them lie in it. Let their mercenaries die in it. Let them eat crow until they?re blue in the face, and do as much to help America in Iraq as the America has done for Africans and Asians and Arabs: absolutely nothing.




Great message, that he doesn't care about US soldiers dying. Maybe him and Psilokitten could hang out at a ramp of a plane dropping off dead US soldiers and laugh at them.  America hasn't done anything for Africa, or Asia? How much money do we funnel into these nations each year, in "humanitarian aide", or trying to remove warlords that steal Red Cross Humanitarian Aide food and starve their own people off.  His point, as most liberals, goes from "We shouldn't help Iraq", to "why aren't we helping every other nation". If we shouldn't intervene in Iraq, then we shouldn't ever intervene in any nation.

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If they cannot get the oil flowing within two years, the US economy is dead. The best thing the UN can do for the world at this point is to sit back and let America hang itself as Washington hemorrhages money in a war it can?t win.




I'd say that we certaintly won the war. The possibility of us not having any oil flowing is nil, and our economy is rebounding.  I think that if America stops giving money to every other nation, we could bring them back under our control (As they beg and grovel for our money /military aide), and we couldh ave more money to modernize Iraq.

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The UN doesn?t have to help the Islamists. They don?t have to work against America. All they have to do is absolutely nothing, and America is a dead duck.




That objectivity award is looking less likely every paragraph...

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But isn?t a few million dead today far better than the tens of millions who will die if the US is allowed to continue it?s string of continuous genocides from the Spanish American war to the present?




It seems to me that the US tries to STOP genocide. Wasn't Saddam the one gassing his own people? Haven't 300,000 people been found in mass graves in Iraq?

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I urge every member state of the United Nations not to support the US and Great Britain in Iraq. I urge the member states to vote against any resolution the US tables for the disarmament of any future ?rogue? nation, unless that resolution also includes the complete and total disarmament of Israel.




Let the Iraqi's starve on the vines, laugh at the US soldiers that are dying, and take Israel's "armaments" away.  That sounds like a great pathway to a wonderful new Wahabbist Middle East. Brilliant man, this!

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I urge the member states to do absolutely nothing to help the United States continue to oppress and commit genocide against colored people at will, by voting NO to anything and everything the illegitimate Bush administration brings to the table, until they are able to prove their legitimacy by winning an election.




I deleted a few paragraphs up there, but the examples that he gave of "American Genocide" was the spanish American war, and WWII. How many "colored people" died in the European sector of WWII? And didn't Japan start the war with us? I'm confused....  Also, the Bush administration did win the election, and now has popular support.

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I urge the United Nations to send international observers to Florida in 2004, to ensure that people of color are not threatened and harassed by white police officers while trying to vote, as they were in 2000. I urge the UN to table a resolution demanding that Florida Governor Jeb Bush restore voting status to the 90,000 mostly black Democratic voters he removed from the state?s voting register in 2000 and 2002.




Maybe we could send observers from such wonderful nations as SAudi Arabia, Egypt, Sudan, and Syria! They'd know everything baout democratic elections!

I am deleting a few of the "despite the x amendment," clauses here, the constitution only applies to people on American soil. Iraq isn't Americn soil. Afghanistan isn't American soil. we'll do what we need to do to bring htem under a civil government, then allow them to deide what rights they want. As for now, our safety is our biggest concern in these regions.

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But Dick Cheney is on record as saying that ?terrorists don?t deserve Constitutional rights." What can we observe from this?




Those comments came as he was questions about the treatment of Afghani's in Afghanistan and Cuba. Neither of those nations cared enough about American Constitutioal rights to bring them into effect, so why should we? Only applies to OUR TERRITORY. If American freedoms had been in placei n cuba, Afghanistan, Iraq, then none of the terror attacks would have happened, and the war/s wouldn't have either.



I don't think that the rest of this drivel even merits reading.  Those that have a modicum of common sense will see it's folly, those without, won't.


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    #2095004 - 11/12/03 02:03 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't look like right-wingers are too keen on eating crow. You'd think after being so catastrophically, resoundingly wrong about WMD they'd start examining their beliefs very seriously. Instead it seems they'll go the grave hating Scott Ritter for being right. Very strange.


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    #2095116 - 11/12/03 02:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think that the search for WMD's has concluded yet. Lets give our support staff as much time to find them as we gave Saddam to hide them?


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    #2096311 - 11/12/03 10:18 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

excellently put.
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    #2096619 - 11/12/03 11:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think that the search for WMD's has concluded yet. Lets give our support staff as much time to find them as we gave Saddam to hide them?

It isn't really a question of "hiding them". Making WMD requres heavy industrial plant involving hundreds of workers. With the kind of rewards on offer by the americans any one of the scientists or workers involved could go and say "Give me 25 million dollars and I'll show you where we made WMD".


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    #2096869 - 11/12/03 01:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Not only that, but........

WHY WOULDN'T HE USE THEM AGAINST US WHEN WE INVADED HIS COUNTRY?!





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    #2097223 - 11/12/03 02:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Cause he is gonna shoot them off as soon as one of his family members gets hurt.


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    #2097255 - 11/12/03 03:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I can't really answer thy "Why's" of a lunatic, but since my lack of ability to do so(as well as others) seems to constitute proof, I'll try it on you. Why would Saddam destroy weapons that he used before, and why would he do that only after kicking out UN inspectors?


This is typical anti-US rhetoric. I'd like tosee some more work by this author. Typical "hate the rich kid on the playground" tactics. Fortunatly, not many Americans care what the rest o the world thinks of us.


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    #2097259 - 11/12/03 03:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The rich kid on the playground can't keep his fucking hands to himself.


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    #2097272 - 11/12/03 03:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

That is because their are so many evil people in this world that need to be handled by us.


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    #2097280 - 11/12/03 03:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'll try it on you. Why would Saddam destroy weapons that he used before, and why would he do that only after kicking out UN inspectors?

Who cares? It doesn't matter why he stopped the WMD programme the US helped him with in the 80's.

All we know is that it was over many years before Bush lied that he had evidence it was still in existence.


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    #2097289 - 11/12/03 03:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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That is because their are so many evil people in this world that need to be handled by us.




Attitudes like this get planes flown into buildings.


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    #2097291 - 11/12/03 03:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

That is because their are so many evil people in this world that need to be handled by us.

Sounds just like Adolf Hitler...


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    #2097585 - 11/12/03 04:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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That is because their are so many evil people in this world that need to be handled by us.




Attitudes like this get planes flown into buildings.




If anyone possibily believes that immoral actions by the USA caused the horrific terroristic events of 9/11, they are totaly blind. The reasons range from us "supporting" the middle east dictators, to us supporting Israel, etceteras. However, if the motive is not immoral, then it's not wrong. The support of Israel is the right thing to do. The tyrannical dictators in the middle east that foment terrorism by inculcating the oppressed masses in their respective nations with state-run media outlets that constantly attack and portray the Zionists and America as evil, THAT is what the problem is.

How have we come to this "It's never anyone's fault but our own" attitude in America?


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    #2097712 - 11/12/03 04:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So Saddam was fomenting terrorism so that he could help destroy America. Then when he gets a chance to use all of his weapons of mass destruction on American soldiers, he doesn't, which allows America to take over his country, kill his sons and drive him into hiding.

Ok, got it.






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    #2097757 - 11/12/03 04:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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So Saddam was fomenting terrorism so that he could help destroy America. Then when he gets a chance to use all of his weapons of mass destruction on American soldiers, he doesn't, which allows America to take over his country, kill his sons and drive him into hiding.

Ok, got it.




Saddam certaintly was supporting terrorism. He, inconjunction with every other Middle East dictator, supported the "palestinean people" in their terroristic struggle against te Jews. He encouraged people to join the "fight" against the Jews, he funded attacks, and he launched missles as Israeli population centers.

I have no idea why Saddam didn't use his WMD's, can you tell me why he destroyed them after he used them, and after he banned inspectors from verifying that he did so?

The majority of Americans were pro-war, in a democratic country, it's not what YOU think is the best, or what you want to haveh appen, it's what hte majority wants to happen. If you dislike that, blame the people that support Bush. Congress voted and approved the war. Focusing your hatred on Bush is sidestepping the issue.

I think that at this point, the only way to justify the war is the consensus of the Iraqi people. If they support us being there (the majority of them, not the vast minority that happen to have RPG's), then we need to be there, and our actions were wrong. Ifthey want us to leave, we will, with every drop of oil we can take with us.


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    #2097807 - 11/12/03 05:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)


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The majority of Americans were pro-war, in a democratic country, it's not what YOU think is the best, or what you want to haveh appen, it's what hte majority wants to happen. If you dislike that, blame the people that support Bush. Congress voted and approved the war.






You think that every Bush supporter supports the war? and every protestor voted for Gore/Nader?


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