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Re: alternative trichocereus seedling grafting stock [Re: peyotillo]
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peyotillo said:
Those lophos look plump IF.
Do you have any grafted one on trichocereus stock?



I have used trichs as stock, they're good but success rate isn't even 90%

Anyway, I have few grafts, also grafts where I have trichocereus seedlings as stock and they are buried underground. Also echinopsis sp stock are buried underground and seems those grafts do fine.

Trichocereus seedlings as stock and then one graft forced 5 offhoot and main head stop grow so I cut it off.


Trichocereus to trichocereus graft (elongated t. bridgesii as stock)


Echinopsis sp stock, only 1-2mm visible above ground(scions grow slower but form of peyote is fine)

last year(end season) when graft is done, same plant


Some blue myrtles


Trichocereus seedlings used for 1cm peyote cactus scions, grafted at end of season 2013 These two grafted to small pachanoi are just survivors, I had 10 trichs and 10 peyote and only 2 succeed.. I made mistake and ruined 80% of grafts by trying to graft 5 stocks in one pot and I got some issues to cause pressure for my plants etc, basically, this should be done with small pots and only one graft/pot and peyote should be smaller diameter than trichocereus to make success more likely!


This seems to be very interesting. (These plant grafts are same what you can see at first pic)

Last season it was like this, I used some super glue and rubber bands to keep pressure.


What I have been experienced, lots of people say it's better to graft very top of the column, well elongated trichocereus is pretty soft from base to top so producing nice grafting stocks for peyote to make sure they attach properly, you can use elongated(and more softer) trichs, and they will attach much better to scion.


One elongated plant cut to 4inch stocks(trichocereus grow easily few inch in month if you give it poor light, still good to graft, my pachanoi crest pic above is grafted one of these stocks)


These tek's haven't been tested years I think, I'm just "mad scientist" and want to try some different tricks. What I know, big trees producing fruits are often grafted to better frost tolerant roots and they are always buried to ground, I wanted to try this with cacti, so far so good.

Also like I said, elongated trichocereus (or blue myrtle) are easy stocks, they are softer than fat ones so scion will attach easier. Elongated trich in my pics are grown with sun but at windowsill.. Today it will tolerate lots of sun easily and pachanoi grest graft doing fine.

Some trichocereus grafts I've been given to my friends and so on, Last season I tested few different stocks, uncommon echinopsis what species no one know(common in nurseries) has proven to be very effective and water tolerant cactus, also it doesn't cause so fast grown peyote, I like those what comes to appearance, not the growth speed...

Only I know that echinopsis will tolerate lots of droughts and cold wet soil and it takes really effort to get it killed. By accident those ecinopsis plants barely dies, if grower know how to grow cacti in general.

What comes to use of elongated columns, I want you to know that you should elongate the plant properly, not too slim and pale and not too fat and so on.. When slim trich grow small spines because lack of light and you see noticeable but slim grow at windowsill, it's good trichocereus enough. They need still light to grow even they grow etiolated, thing is: use sun to grow that kind of stocks but make sure you don't give so much light trichocereus normally would want so it grow FAST and LONG. That one foot slim section have been grown in 8-10weeks, when they etiolate, they really grow height.

I've used normal trichocereus also but they need to be top cuttings to get best success, their growth tips are always soft like elongated plants.

I can buy approx 10-13cm(4-5inch) seed grown trichs from nursery with diameter of 1.5 inch or more, those plants are also good for same diameter - or little bit less - peyote scion.

Just make cuts fast, attache peyote above, use super glue and after super glue have attached peyote on it's place, get rubber band and bend it over the pot and scion and remove it in 2weeks or so, sometimes it takes long time with trichcoereus to see actual scion starts to grow fast. It can take 2months before peyote really have the growth spurt attached to trichocereus..

If you want big grafts, big scions, then you need fat and bigger stocks obviously to get fast growth but I am indoor gardening person so I have had to use smaller ones, also I can get proper size peyote with any kind of stock plant.. Even peyote grows relatively fast on it's own, especially when it's hot.


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Edited by intelligentlife (07/27/14 02:56 PM)

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Re: alternative trichocereus seedling grafting stock [Re: gr33ntea]
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I've had some success grafting seedlings onto Selenicereus grandiflorus (at least that's what the member I received them from told me they were). They're able to handle lots of water, but seem to be more drought-tolerant than Pereskiopsis. They also are very easy to propagate, around as easy as Pereskiopsis. My favorite thing about these as grafting stock, however, is the fact that I don't end up with a thousand glochlids in my arms if I accidentally brush up against one of them while walking by.

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Re: alternative trichocereus seedling grafting stock [Re: gr33ntea]
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Pteranthus or Grandiflorus both work great.  The nice thing about Selenicereus is you don't need to graft to the growth tip like you do with some other stocks.  You can use a mid cut with no problems, doesn't matter how far back from the growth tip either.  You can divide up a 1 ft long chunk into quite a few grafts.  Try doing that with a Pachanoi or Myrtillocactus, lol.  :wink:

Edited by psilocybespawn (07/28/14 12:04 AM)

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Re: alternative trichocereus seedling grafting stock [Re: psilocybespawn]
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psilocybespawn said:
Pteranthus or Grandiflorus both work great.  The nice thing about Selenicereus is you don't need to graft to the growth tip like you do with some other stocks.  You can use a mid cut with no problems, doesn't matter how far back from the growth tip either.  You can divide up a 1 ft long chunk into quite a few grafts.  Try doing that with a Pachanoi or Myrtillocactus, lol.  :wink:



Are you talking about cutting it into pieces, rooting it, and then grafting, or just grafting onto multiple spots on the middle of the stock?

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Re: alternative trichocereus seedling grafting stock [Re: 1134hst]
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I'd assume the first one, but you probably don't need to root before grafting.

I have some S. grandiflorus that I grew from seed but I haven't tried any grafts to them. I did a couple grafts of them onto pereskiopsis to get them to size faster and those were semi successful.

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