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My new peyote seedling grafts **Update** New Pics
    #4595392 - 08/29/05 04:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Here are some grafts I did about a week ago

Peyote grafted on Opuntia Compressa:





Peyote seedling grafted to Myrtillocactus areole:





I'll give updates when they start growing. Hopefully they will live, they seem to be doing fine(no shriveling), and I've taken them out of their humidity chamber. Hope you enjoy!


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4595465 - 08/29/05 05:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

wonderful job! :wink:
pretty artistic.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: felixhigh]
    #4595481 - 08/29/05 05:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

thanx felix, I'm planning on grafting seedlings on every areole of a myrtillocactus next time, that should be pretty cool looking. :laugh:


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4595772 - 08/29/05 07:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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thanx felix, I'm planning on grafting seedlings on every areole of a myrtillocactus next time, that should be pretty cool looking. :laugh:




I was thinking the same thing before I saw this post.

It would look great.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4595787 - 08/29/05 07:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

looks good,one of these days I will find some peyote to
complete my cactus garden. :thumbup:


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: rod]
    #4595965 - 08/29/05 07:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My pereskiopsis is growing so slow so i opted to graft on opuntia and myrtillocactus. One question though: When I took them out of their humidity dome, should I acclimate them to their non-humid environment slowly or all at once?


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4596858 - 08/29/05 11:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

When you acclimate any living thing, plant, or animal slow gradual change is less stressful than immediate. Even if the conditions the plant was in almost killed it, changing its environment fast could shock it and finish it off.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: Psychoslut]
    #4597359 - 08/30/05 01:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Psychoslut for your advice, that makes alot of sense. so I'll keep adding an hour of non-humidity each day to acclimate them. Hopefully that should acclimize them to a non-humid environment.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4597454 - 08/30/05 01:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

interesting that you would slap seedlings onto an opuntia stock like that. good luck


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: faslimy]
    #4597933 - 08/30/05 04:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Faslimy, It's basically just experimentation. I'm going to be using many different stocks to do seedling grafting, like pereskiopsis,hylocereus,columnar opuntia's(cholla)etc... , just to see the different results I get on each stocks. Also I plan to do alot of seedling grafting onto areoles just to see what results I get, and the rates of success with this technique.

Thank you all for your comments. :smile:


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4597971 - 08/30/05 05:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i love it, please report back with your experiments


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: faslimy]
    #4599067 - 08/30/05 03:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I most certainly will faslimy :smile:. By, the way, I love your gallery pics, especially the scop x pedro!


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4854075 - 10/26/05 12:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hey JB201 - do you have any updates on the success of these grafts? I am especially interested in the Myrtillocactus graft. Very nice, I hope it worked out. :smile:


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: faslimy]
    #4854143 - 10/26/05 12:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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interesting that you would slap seedlings onto an opuntia stock like that. good luck



It's a damn good idea. I've seen it done before btw, apparently it has a much longer sustained growth than pereskiopsis with more natural looking scions. In fact I was planning to do this exact same thing.... I'll have to stay updated! Very cool post, best I've seen in a while.

Lophophora williamsii grafted on Opuntia subulata:


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4854258 - 10/26/05 01:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nice!

best of luck.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: afoaf]
    #4854421 - 10/26/05 01:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

how lng u think till harvest


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: DoubleVision]
    #4854452 - 10/26/05 02:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

tight


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: mskip23]
    #4855272 - 10/26/05 06:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

grait job!


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: cvele]
    #4856668 - 10/26/05 10:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The Opuntia grafts have failed, but the areole graft(on Myrtillocactus)is doing fine. The seedling is still pretty tiny, but it has grown many new areoles. It doesn't seem to grow as fast as the pereskiopsis grafts I have seen, but I'm satisfied none the less.

I'll try to remember to get some pictures up tomorrow.

Thanks for your nice comments.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4858644 - 10/27/05 11:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

all that exposed surface area on the oportunia makes
me feel like it would contract and shrink as it callouses
too much for the graft's bond to keep.

what's your prognosis for the failure?


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: afoaf]
    #4858949 - 10/27/05 01:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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afoaf said:
all that exposed surface area on the oportunia makes
me feel like it would contract and shrink as it callouses
too much for the graft's bond to keep.

what's your prognosis for the failure?




I think your exactly right afoaf, I cut too far down on the Opuntia, and they shrunk. Next time I plan to either cut closer to the top near the growth shoot, or use a new side growth shoot(pup) to graft on.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4858978 - 10/27/05 01:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Here are the new pictures of the Myrtillocactus areole graft as promised:













Sorry for the picture quality, I have no macro option so I tried to get as close to the little seedling as possible. I think the camera lense was only a few centimeters away from the graft lol.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4860070 - 10/27/05 06:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nice graft


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4860434 - 10/27/05 07:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, dude, that's great!


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4877507 - 10/31/05 11:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup: Great job! Thanks for sharing. :smile:


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: ToolTroll]
    #4877674 - 11/01/05 12:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The little graft has grown another little areole. I destroyed the main growth shoot, so that all the growth would be directed to the Loph scion. So I'll keep you all updated on how that goes.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4877902 - 11/01/05 12:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Looks great... :smile:
Mine (on pere) has seemed to firmlly secure itself, though the top of the pereskiopsis that isn't covered by the seed has turned dark. It's hard, doesn't look like any kind of rot. Not sure. It's been almost 2 weeks now and no signs of growth though. Theres something popping up on top of the tallest leaf. I can't tell if it's another leaf or some stalk trying to grow, should I stop it?


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4879662 - 11/01/05 03:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Nice work. It looks precariously balanced on the side, but the graft has obviously taken. Did you do anything special to hold the seedling in place during the first week, or did it just stick to the sap of the Myrtillocactus?


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: koppie]
    #4879795 - 11/01/05 03:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Elgr - do you mean the seedling is dark? If it is a new shoot you should let it grow a few inches so you have more grafting stock, but you could also just remove it. It's all up to you.

Koppie - I just used the sap of the Myrtillocactus to hold it onto place. I don't think it will fall off the side, it has a pretty secure bond, but this may become a problem when it grows bigger. I plan to regraft by that time anyway.

The little guy is still doing good, I hope that by destroying the main growth shoot it will speed up the growth of the Lophophora. Kinda like when you cut the top off a pedro it diverts growth to a new pup, and in this case the Loph. will be the pup.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4879806 - 11/01/05 03:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, well I've got plenty of stock left. I think I'll just cut it off. It's too early in the scion's life to take any chances. It hasn't shown any signs of growth at all.

No, the seedling isn't dark, the surface of the pereskiopsis that was not covered by the scion is dark.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: afoaf]
    #4880383 - 11/01/05 06:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

With the opuntia I wouldn't graft to a pad like done above. But i would plant a pad sideways and graft onto the smaller circular youg pad that emerges.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4881738 - 11/01/05 11:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

elgr - I don't know what the black could be, possibly a fungal infection.

SHEIK - Thats probably what I'm going to do next time I try opuntia grafting. The new shoots on these Opuntia are very round when they first pop out, so I think they would work excelent.

Oh, and I had the name of the Opuntia wrong, its actually Opuntia Vulgaris not O. Compressa.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4883241 - 11/02/05 12:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

good suggestion


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4883443 - 11/02/05 01:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I thought I would ask this question, didn't feel like starting a new thread.

You know how they say you should add limestone to lophophora soil, I am wondering if you could use baking soda instead. Both are basic and nontoxic (to humans at least) you would probably use a lot less baking soda though.

What do you think?


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4886237 - 11/03/05 12:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

adjust - I'm not sure if that would work, I've never tried it. I'm sure someone can help you out, but there are much more knowledgable people here that can answer your question. I'm certainly no expert :wink:, at least compared to many of the peyote growers I've seen here on the shroomery.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4894497 - 11/04/05 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've already destroyed the main grow tip, should I cut off every areole so that the Myrtillocactus does not pup? Thus diverting energy from the scion to a new pup? Any comments or suggestions from you cactus pros out there would be greatly appreciated  :smile:.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts [Re: JB201]
    #4898148 - 11/05/05 08:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the tip (I have no idea about your current question, though). Two kilograms of lime was only 5 bucks, so I went for the lime. Lime contains other useful nutrients too, I guess.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts Update:1/03/06 [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #5135261 - 01/03/06 04:41 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Here are some update pics, they are growing kinda slowly(at least I think so), but they are growing I can tell from another new areole starting to grow yesterday. Usually grows an areole per week, sometimes more, sometimes less.

Here are the pics:









Seems to be growing outward instead of wider. I cut off all the areoles/spines of the Myrtillocactus just to stop future shoots from growing, it's just an expiriment after all. The base is red but the new growth is green and looks/feels healthy.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts Update:1/03/06 [Re: JB201]
    #5135375 - 01/03/06 05:23 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

i think the soda idea would flash the ph very quickly and not do much for perminent adjustments. i know certain grades of lime are supposed to do that. i know stone grade lime breaks down very very slowly and can adjust ph for a very long time, where powder dolomite might have to be replaced in a years time or less. beautiful grafting and good work jb.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts Update:1/03/06 [Re: S8N]
    #5135417 - 01/03/06 05:36 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I'm actually suprised this graft survived. I expected it to die the most out of all the grafts i've done. This the only seedling graft that has worked for me.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts Update:1/03/06 [Re: JB201]
    #5139542 - 01/04/06 06:31 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

grafting isn't as easy as it looks :smile:

out of ever 5 grafts.. I usualyl get 2 to survive.
However I've only grafted 2 batches, so i'll try and be more sterile next time I do it.

I'm actually going to try and graft onto areoponic stocks and see what happens.


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Re: My new peyote seedling grafts Update:1/03/06 [Re: kolizion]
    #5139965 - 01/04/06 08:13 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

iv had 100% success(so far), But i always made sure to have all my materials ready befor i made the cut. check my gallery to see some pics of my plants.

A little trick I do when grafting a bigger lopho(1/2"+) to a Trich or myrtle. is put a marble ontop of the graft, its worked good for me on my last few grafts.


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