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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Patlal said:
Here's my take:

Landlords shouldn't be able to raise rent 200$ after a lease is done. That's just circumventing eviction laws (because let's face it, a huge rent hike is a hidden eviction notice).

In Ontario, the rise in rent is determined every year based on inflation and other factors. Since the interests are low and inflation is low, the increase is like 1 to 2%, It's nothing really. I would love to be able to raise maybe 5% but I can't.

If lets say its legal to raise the rent 200$, the law could accept it as long as you keep the rent 200$ more expensive for your next tenant should the previous one leave. That way its not like "he raise the rent to kick me out because he lowered it right when I left to get a new guy" Again, circumventing eveiction laws.

There are plenty of ways to evict people. A hike in rent shouldn't be one. Its almost discrimination towards the lower class. If the guy you rent to is that bad, then you have grounds to evict him either way. Its people's home were talking about.

Sudden hikes in rent is too landlord sided. It makes it unfair for tenants.

On the other hand, let's take Quebec. The tenants are kings. Even if they break everything, the landlord has to jump through hoops and it can take as long as 6 months to evict a non paying/ troublesome tenant. That too tenant sided. Its unfair for the landlord.

Since landlording is a business, there should be certain risks in order to make a profit. Since tenancy is not ownership, there should be certain factors playing against you too. It should be 50/50 if you understand what I mean.


No, I do not understand what you mean


Cutthroat capitalism is a thing of the past. We're not monkeys anymore, we evolved.


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Juicin said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
Its really not fair tenant and landlord contracts should favor the property owner the tenant is renting a space that DOES NOT belong to him/her.


This is why you sign a contract giving you the right to quiet enjoyment and no rate hikes.


Until the contract ends.  Then there is no contract any more.  GTFO.
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It's their property, they made the agreement to hand it to you for x period of time. My right to the property does trump theirs. Even if my right to quiet enjoyment is not stated in the contract, in illinois anyway.


You have rights until the contract ends then you have none
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I could link you all sorts of information about what renting housing was like before we had all this regulation.


So?  Let's have 'em. 
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Let's let slumlords do whatever they want :lol:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-nyc-law-puts-pressure-slumlords-article-1.1237582

And no, no one care about you and your shitty 3 properties that you bought in 2007. People care about tenants right's


New York City LOL.  Rent control creates slumlords.  My property I can charge whatever some schmuck will agree to pay.  Don't wanna pay?  Piss up a rope and get the fuck out.


Do you understand what a slum lord is? Anyone who rents low income housing could be considered a slum lord.

My point was about small time players bitching about how hard it is to rent out their property. These rules were designed to protect the vast majority of us who do not own property.

The rules are there to protect tenants. Your profit margins are irrelevant. The path to prosperity is not sucking the money out of the poor and giving it to a land owner.

This is a very old struggle in this country. One your poorly educated parents probably went through

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal] * 1
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:lolsy:  What is cutthroat about market value based real estate?  It works quite well.


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yea the market is cut throat

Which is why the property owner gets fucked and not the tenant

Housing shortage = slum lords get rich

We as a society decided that wasn't OK

You may not agree, but no one cares about you getting shafted. Down size

Almost as bad as usury

Edited by Juicin (05/31/14 09:11 PM)

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
The province takes in consideration inflation and gives you an allowable percentage.


How nice of them.

How appalling that you're OK with someone else having control over your legally earned income.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
luvdemshrooms said:
And if your costs go up more than the allowable increase?

I'm stunned that any property owner/landlord would be OK with this. The government won't give a shit for your finances so you certainly should.


The province takes in consideration inflation and gives you an allowable percentage. But yes, I get it. Costs can shoot up quickly.


Actually you can raise it by more if you can demonstrate that your costs went up by significantly more.

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Patlal said:
The province takes in consideration inflation and gives you an allowable percentage.


How nice of them.

How appalling that you're OK with someone else having control over your legally earned income.


Someone else always has control of your legally and illegally earned income in pretty much every type of business and job


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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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The fact that you can't run your own business without the state telling you what you can charge is ludicrous. It boggles my mind that people are OK with that.

You do the work. You invest. You take the risk. Yet, you're the states bitch.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
luvdemshrooms said:
Patlal said:
The province takes in consideration inflation and gives you an allowable percentage.


How nice of them.

How appalling that you're OK with someone else having control over your legally earned income.


Someone else always has control of your legally and illegally earned income in pretty much every type of business and job


Is that right? The state tells you what to charge for food? The state tells you what to charge for clothing? The state tells you what to charge for electronics? Cars? Bicycles? Paving? Plumbing?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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And yet there is no shortage of landlords. I guess it's possible to make money at it anyway.

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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Which makes it right... how?

A vacuum is always filled.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Life isn't fair, but people do have the option of not being landlords if they don't like the terms.

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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People have a lot of options. It's still not right. Allowing someone else to set the terms of your legal business is fucked.

Being OK with it is more so.

Right and wrong should mean and count for something. It's sad to see that to some it doesn't.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Perhaps the landlords here will respond to this grave injustice by getting out of the business. I suspect that many will continue doing as they have been doing though.

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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Way to miss the point.

Right and wrong. A concept that seems to escape many.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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You believe it's wrong, I don't. Luckily for you, you don't live here. Some see all taxation as wrong, and I welcome them to move to one of the many wonderful countries with no taxes at all.

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi]
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I'm guessing you're a renter and not a landlord.

I'm delighted to not live in a place where government thinks they know better than me what my costs and issues are. I'm even more delighted to not live in a place where people think that's OK.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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As I stated before, if your costs really do go up by a lot more then you can raise it by more. I'm sure that as a landlord you're happy not to be subject to this particular regulation, but you still live in a country where business is subject to a fuck of a lot of regulation.

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: psi] * 1
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Yup, a fuck ton but not one that tells me what to charge for a legal service. I have no problem being regulated. Heat. Insurance. No leaky roofs or broken windows. Garbage can't pile up. I have no problem with safety regulations. They are not just for the tenants but for the neighbors as well.

However, I know what my expenses are. Having to go suck the cock of some board run by some jackasses that don't know me, my tenants or my expenses should be appalling to all. How sad that in life so many people that would have a fit if that should that happen to them, are OK with it happening to others.

Right and wrong. There is a difference.

Apparently that matters little to many.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: so my landlord raised the rent on us.. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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It's just that not everyone shares your opinion on which things are right and wrong. That doesn't mean that right and wrong don't matter to such people (and this should be obvious.)

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