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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: cannabinated]
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Fuck off Enlil2.  Its not that hard to find the info I'm talking about, go look the results up yourself.  I'm not your intern.
And as I've said I've seen it work first hand.  I don't need convincing.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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cannabinated said:
cause of chemo. I thought you knew that?


And thats where cannabis does its thing, alleviating chemo symptoms which can actually get worst than the cancer aches.

TheGreenArrow said:
And as I've said I've seen it work first hand.  I don't need convincing.


You've seen a correlation with n=1, if you're convinced by that well you lack critical thinking.


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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: plambe]
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Says the guy that can't be bothered to look up results of a treatment thats been on the record for more than 10 years at this point.

I'm not making it up, I watched a withered old woman get life breathed back into her old bones with help from a plant.  Fuck off Troll.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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I don't know that i would agree that it couldn't be patented... While i'm not an expert in pharmaceuticals, i do know that the tendency is to explore a few novel compounds, and then tweak them to obtain all the desired effects. Very very VERY fat chance that a pharmacist is going to be content handing someone a nug of dank weed for their cancer. Rather they would probably spend years tweaking various cannabinoids to understand the various affects and which ones are more useful to certain illnesses, form a treatment plan/pill, and slap a patent on it.

I think the issue is more with stigma and government regulations. And perhaps competitive cancer products. But i don't think patenting is going to be a problem since the raw form of weed is unlikely to be the most effective treatment

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 2
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TheGreenArrow said:
Says the guy that can't be bothered to look up results of a treatment thats been on the record for more than 10 years at this point.


The problem is that Simpson's "evidence" consists of questionable videos on youtube.  Youtube is not a scientific authority, nor is a random webpage created by someone trying to sell a product and promote his/her agenda.

The general way that most intellectual discussions go, is that if you make a claim, you back it up.  "Look it up yourself" is not a convincing rebuttal.

TheGreenArrow said:
I'm not making it up, I watched a withered old woman get life breathed back into her old bones with help from a plant.  Fuck off Troll.


Nobody said you were making it up, he said you were making a conclusion based on anecdotal evidence from a sample size of 1.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: badchad]
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Well I know it was her last chance, when western medicine had totally failed and turned her into a withered old soul.

You know Rick Simpson had been doing that shit for years before youtube was ever around right?  I found out about it from reading Skunk magazine.
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nor is a random webpage created by someone trying to sell a product and promote his/her agenda.


And he just tells you how to make it yourself, for the good of humanity, he doesn't profit of that.
You're both jackasses if you can't see that Cannabis helps cancer patients. 
It's pretty common knowledge that Anslinger was paid off by industrial lobbyists to extinguish cannabis stateside.  Now in today's time they're stopping it from being researched for its medicinal properties.  The OP asked if there was a conspiracy against cannabis, and again I say if it walks like a duck and quacks...


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: JacksonMetaller]
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It's totally patentable. If Monsanto can patent corn, some pharmaceutical company ought to be able to engineer a pot plant that produces the desired chemical concentrations, grow it in private facilities, and patent the shit out of it.

There's so much money to be made from overprescribing cannabinoid drugs, too. I remember reading somewhere a few years back that half the research budget for pharmaceutical companies went to marketing research. Those guys artificially raise the incidence of diseases in the population, even create new bullshit diseases, just so they can make a buck selling the drugs that might treat them. How many people do you think were diagnosed with restless leg syndrome before those commercials came out? I'd guess it was close to nobody. The drug for RLS also had a ridiculous list of side effects. The drugs derived from pot have virtually no serious side effects. Pot could easily be advertised as a mild pain reliever that is infinitely safer than Tylenol or Aspirin (a pot overdose is physiologically close to impossible and many people have died or had serious liver complications from tylenol and aspirin overdose). The possibilities for overprescription are endless. Pharm companies would be stupid not to develop these drugs and their markets, and pharm companies aren't that stupid.

Edited by Mr.GuessWork (05/01/14 08:28 AM)

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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TheGreenArrow said:
You're both jackasses if you can't see that Cannabis helps cancer patients. 



Your thoughts would be taken more seriously if instead of personal attacks, you engaged in intellectual discussion.

If Simpson has primary data about the condition of the patients, grading of tumors, composition of the treatments administered and follow-up measures, I think it would generate interesting discussion.  You claim the data exist, I think we'd be curious to see it.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: badchad]
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Again, google isn't that hard to use, and the info has been available for a long time now.  I'm not an intern, do your own research and make your own decisions.
All I'm saying is I've seen first hand this stuff work.  I makes me sad that people have gotten so caught up in Regan's BS that they're too afraid to consider cannabis as a treatment option.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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Whenever someone says "well the us government states here...." I fucking laugh. Baaaaahhhhh


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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: Mescalean]
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All I'm saying is I've seen first hand this stuff work.


You seem to have a hard time comprehending that this isn't a compelling argument. With a sample size of 1 and said person receiving chemotherapy and who knows what else I find it impossible to see how you can automatically believe remission was due to cannabis use. How can you account for external factors? I would say it one more time, this is not a rational argument its a personal belief. For example I believe that people may have been cured by cannabis but I cannot accept that the effectiveness of cannabis in stalling cancer progression is better than that of novel pharmaceuticals (or combinations of such) that have undergone properly controlled clinical trials. Also your continued inability to provide data in support of your statements indicates you have no understanding of how debating works. "Go look it up" is laughable at best. Unless you actually want to be taken seriously and not simply look like a drug-biased food I'd suggest you back up your statements.

I would agree on symptom alleviation and negating chemo side effects but thats about it (at this stage of cannabinoid research).

There are far more promising avenues towards cancer treatment, for example HSP90 inhibitors, immunotherapy and possibly chemicals derived from oceanic organisms waiting to be discovered (if I was a pharmaceutical company I'd invest in probing the oceans for novel compounds).


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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: plambe]
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plambe said:
..novel pharmaceuticals (or combinations of such) that have undergone properly controlled clinical trials.


And that can get u killed anyway because of their.. novelty.
If I had cancer I would prefer to die from it than testing every chemical that comes out of a lab.
Let's not forget the THOUSANDS of AIDS patients who died because of the drugs, and not because of AIDS.

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Re: Cannabis, cancer and global pharmaceutical conspiracy [Re: Feelter]
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Feelter said:
plambe said:
..novel pharmaceuticals (or combinations of such) that have undergone properly controlled clinical trials.


And that can get u killed anyway because of their.. novelty.



lol are you serious?? If you had to rely on an experimental compound then its safe to assume you're going to die soon anyway. I don't see what you have to lose, you're not special, just another bag of organic materials thats destined to degrade. But if you were to subject yourself to torturous drug injections and agony then you might just help future cancer victims by helping to test new compounds. Its entirely up to you and your views on life but if you're going to die either way why no commit painless suicide :shrug:?


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