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Jihad vs. McWorld
    #1991085 - 10/08/03 09:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Jihad vs. McWorld

This is pretty long, but it's worth the time. I might cut and post a few parts later, when I have more time. (Unless someone beats me to it...)


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Re: Jihad vs. McWorld [Re: hongomon]
    #1991123 - 10/08/03 09:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that's a good one. I meant to post that myself :smile:


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Re: Jihad vs. McWorld [Re: hongomon]
    #1993300 - 10/09/03 02:43 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

it's good, but the author is a little long winded.

it's like he was writing to hear himself speak.

excellent points, though.

excellent economic analysis of geopolitical
tensions.


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Re: Jihad vs. McWorld [Re: afoaf]
    #1993393 - 10/09/03 03:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I was forgiving of the long-windedness, to me it was sort of like a brainstorming, stream of consciousness piece. But a bit more crystallized than, say, James Joyce, thank god...


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Re: Jihad vs. McWorld [Re: hongomon]
    #1993458 - 10/09/03 03:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Indeed. Could have been shortened considerably, but some damn good analysis in there all the same.

Seeing as how I had just posted the Eco-Imperialist Awards article, this bit caught my eye --

We also know that the planet can be asphyxiated by greenhouse gases (actually, we know no such thing, but let's move on anyway -- pinky) because Brazilian farmers want to be part of the twentieth century and are burning down tropical rain forests to clear a little land to plough, and because Indonesians make a living out of converting their lush jungle into toothpicks for fastidious Japanese diners, upsetting the delicate oxygen balance and in effect puncturing our global lungs. Yet this ecological consciousness has meant not only greater awareness but also greater inequality, as modernized nations try to slam the door behind them, saying to developing nations, "The world cannot afford your modernization; ours has wrung it dry!"

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Re: Jihad vs. McWorld [Re: Phred]
    #1994692 - 10/09/03 08:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Unlike the article you posted, which to me tries to suggest the dismantling of environmentalism by a mock ceremony, Barber is openly ambivalent about the big picture and all the attempts to manipulate it. That's the impression I got from his discussion of all four of his imperatives. I'm thinking of tracking down the book by the same title.

I like his proposal, or his hopes, or whatever they should be called, for semi-autonomous communities smaller than nation-states.


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Re: Jihad vs. McWorld [Re: hongomon]
    #1995892 - 10/10/03 03:00 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i would very much like to see his ideal realised, with many geographically seperate non-intrahateful, intratolerant communities participating globally as a market. in such a scenario, self-determination as an individual or as a community does seem most likely to succeed.

however an evolution into this sort of system will undoubtedly take longer than yours or my lifespan as the author suggested, and will certainly be an asymtotic approach.

thus, for as long as people live, those people will always bitch and moan abou thow unfair shit is.

1000 years ago: dude, it sure sucks how the church owns my land and my soul, but i can still go get drunk so fuckit. i can just comply, pretend to be christian and not get burned at the stake.
100 years ago: dude, it sure sucks how im trapped in servitude to my landowning masters. but hey: i can still go get drunk at the end of the day so fuckit. i can just comply and not get whipped.
50 years ago: dude, it sure sucks how gotta pretend im 100% capitalist, or im gonna be persecuted by society. but hey... i can still get drunk.
today: dude, it sure sucks how i cand eat cubies if i want to. but hey: i can just pretend to comply and ill be fine.... i can get drunk too! yee haw!

and on and on...


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Re: Jihad vs. McWorld [Re: doktor_alternate]
    #1995963 - 10/10/03 03:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Can you explain a little more about the asymptotic approach?

And while it may not be any conspiracy, I agree that alcohol holds a lot of people back from really realizing themselves.


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