Andyy said:

In the Bay Area, my friend makes 75k a year. He is living paycheck to paycheck renting a shitty three bedroom house. He couldn't even buy a house unless he is making minimum around 110k a year.

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Andyy said:

He went to school or otherwise acquired knowledge that not everybody has. His knowledge and expertise is desired by employers, that's why he can make the money he makes.

40k a year isn't very much. Its enough to live in a lot of places, but not everywhere. In the Bay Area, my friend makes 75k a year. He is living paycheck to paycheck renting a shitty three bedroom house. He couldn't even buy a house unless he is making minimum around 110k a year.

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Andyy said:

He went to school or otherwise acquired knowledge that not everybody has. His knowledge and expertise is desired by employers, that's why he can make the money he makes.

40k a year isn't very much. Its enough to live in a lot of places, but not everywhere. In the Bay Area, my friend makes 75k a year. He is living paycheck to paycheck renting a shitty three bedroom house. He couldn't even buy a house unless he is making minimum around 110k a year.

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Thats hilarious bro. Do you read what you type? Lives in a shitty 3 bedroom house? Classic greed my friend. Ill tell ya what his shitty three bedroom house is a fuckton better than the shared room that I have to rent with 7 other people under one roof

Its as if people dont get their own car, house, hot wife, and blazing ass internet they feel cheated and showhow apart of the 99%. Its bullshit my friends, absolute bullshit.

But the argument here isnt about what kind of lifestyle 40k can afford, its about the salary itself not being worth for the people who are able to obtain it. People who work NO harder than anyone else in the world, yet still bitch and moan when they can drive themselves to work, or afford their own place. Its sickening.

Almond Flour said:

And the gentleman in the Rice fields or the chicken bus selling dried mangoes for 10 cordobas a bag?

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Seriously....think about it, you are either ripping people off, taking advantage of others, or getting fed ridiculous amounts of money from the government for work that isnt worth half that.

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I'm double that salary and don't fit into any of those categories.

One prime example...trades.  If you are a journeyman welder, electrician, heavy duty mechanic, pipefitter, instrument mechanic, millwright...you are guaranteed 40/hour.  And double that if you are willing to go up north and live in camp.  That's if you are able to work hard, prove yourself and do all the appropriate schooling.

How is that cheating or screwing anyone?

Do you seriously not think things through before posting?

badchad said:

Almond Flour said:

And the gentleman in the Rice fields or the chicken bus selling dried mangoes for 10 cordobas a bag?

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A trained monkey can do that as well.

Getting compensated for work isn't about the hours put in, and/or physical labor, its about responsibility and training.  You might stand on your feet all day making pizzas.  I have a friend who stands on his feet all day doing spinal surgeries.  There is a drastic difference in the level of responsibility and knowledge required to do each job.

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Almond Flour said:

There is no honest way to make above $40k a year. Seriously....think about it, you are either ripping people off, taking advantage of others, or getting fed ridiculous amounts of money from the government for work that isnt worth half that.

In 2014 in first world America, if you make over 40k, chances are you are a crook

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drr said:

Almond Flour said:

There is no honest way to make above $40k a year. Seriously....think about it, you are either ripping people off, taking advantage of others, or getting fed ridiculous amounts of money from the government for work that isnt worth half that.

In 2014 in first world America, if you make over 40k, chances are you are a crook

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Sorry but dumb post. Maybe there's no way for YOU to make over 40k a year without ripping people off.

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Masked said:

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Seriously....think about it, you are either ripping people off, taking advantage of others, or getting fed ridiculous amounts of money from the government for work that isnt worth half that.

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I'm double that salary and don't fit into any of those categories.

One prime example...trades.  If you are a journeyman welder, electrician, heavy duty mechanic, pipefitter, instrument mechanic, millwright...you are guaranteed 40/hour.  And double that if you are willing to go up north and live in camp.  That's if you are able to work hard, prove yourself and do all the appropriate schooling.

How is that cheating or screwing anyone?

Do you seriously not think things through before posting?

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drr said:

Well go join a fucking commune then already

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Apparently thats impossible for someone who is viewed around these parts as a bigoted Christian who hates gays and women.

Andyy said:

Yeah, its greedy. But that's my description, not his own.

I'm curious how the fuck you know everybody works no harder than you. Seriously. Tell me how no one else works harder than you.

I worked labor 60 hours a week 6 days a week to live in a garage on a couch and feed myself. Getting fucked out of raises, never knowing what time I'd get off, all kinds of bullshit.

Most people work fucking hard for what they have, and you have no place saying they don't. Making fucking pizzas isn't being a software developer, an engineer, or whatever. Its making fucking pizzas. Pizzas don't follow you home and haunt you through the night. I've saw my pops as a kid work a 12 hour day as an engineer, get home, get on the computer, and work even more hours trying to figure shit out he had to have done.

Anyways, instead of bitching, how do you propose to fix this problem? Tax everybody making more than you? Are you the standard? Everybody should be like you?

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If you wanna turn this into a crusade against myself be my guest, but my point remains valid. Not to mention many of you are leading this discussion off topic. The issue here is not a matter of how hard you work, its what you engage in and the level of honesty that is actually behind such a paycheck.

Just because you grow corn on a small farm, doesnt mean you are consciously choosing to avoid Monsanto

Almond Flour said:

Lets say I submit to your argument and agree that spinal surgeries are indeed worthy of a higher salary than a pizza cook or a mango seller......does it mean that person deserves to pull in over $100k and only serve those who are rich enough to buy such procedures?

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Almond Flour said:

Thats my point. The medical profession is apart of those who "are crooks for outrageous pay". If the way you afford your vacations to Hawaii are sponsored by exploiting those who are sick and dying you are engaging in dishonest work. Especially when the price you are paid is a sickening amount in comparison to the rest of the world.

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Almond Flour said:

Masked said:

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Seriously....think about it, you are either ripping people off, taking advantage of others, or getting fed ridiculous amounts of money from the government for work that isnt worth half that.

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I'm double that salary and don't fit into any of those categories.

One prime example...trades.  If you are a journeyman welder, electrician, heavy duty mechanic, pipefitter, instrument mechanic, millwright...you are guaranteed 40/hour.  And double that if you are willing to go up north and live in camp.  That's if you are able to work hard, prove yourself and do all the appropriate schooling.

How is that cheating or screwing anyone?

Do you seriously not think things through before posting?

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Who are you welding for? Whos equipment are you fixing? Pipefitter eh? For what product or company?

All of those professions can easily be traced back to curropt corporations or explotative folks who prey off others and the environment.

$40/hr is indeed impressive, not lets ask WHOS paying it, and how they are getting all that money.

Simply because you engage in honest work doesnt mean you are not taking advantage of corruption. Which is the same thing.

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sigh...you're right.  All this time, I should have been "working hard" making pizzas.

You wouldn't know a hard days work if it came up and slapped you in the face.

Watching you try to do my job, would be like watching a one armed man trying to hang wallpaper in a windstorm.

Furthermore, with your logic, that would mean EVERY company is corrupt to some degree.  All companies are trying to cater(or in your words, take advantage) of a specific market.  Therefor, using your logic:

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Simply because you engage in honest work doesnt mean you are not taking advantage of corruption. Which is the same thing.

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riight

Masked said:

Almond Flour said:

Masked said:

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Seriously....think about it, you are either ripping people off, taking advantage of others, or getting fed ridiculous amounts of money from the government for work that isnt worth half that.

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I'm double that salary and don't fit into any of those categories.

One prime example...trades.  If you are a journeyman welder, electrician, heavy duty mechanic, pipefitter, instrument mechanic, millwright...you are guaranteed 40/hour.  And double that if you are willing to go up north and live in camp.  That's if you are able to work hard, prove yourself and do all the appropriate schooling.

How is that cheating or screwing anyone?

Do you seriously not think things through before posting?

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Who are you welding for? Whos equipment are you fixing? Pipefitter eh? For what product or company?

All of those professions can easily be traced back to curropt corporations or explotative folks who prey off others and the environment.

$40/hr is indeed impressive, not lets ask WHOS paying it, and how they are getting all that money.

Simply because you engage in honest work doesnt mean you are not taking advantage of corruption. Which is the same thing.

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sigh...you're right.  All this time, I should have been "working hard" making pizzas.

You wouldn't know a hard days work if it came up and slapped you in the face.

Watching you try to do my job, would be like watching a one armed man trying to hang wallpaper in a windstorm.

Furthermore, with your logic, that would mean EVERY company is corrupt to some degree.  All companies are trying to cater(or in your words, take advantage) of a specific market.  Therefor, using your logic:

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Simply because you engage in honest work doesnt mean you are not taking advantage of corruption. Which is the same thing.

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riight

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I agree, sometimes it is easier to bury our heads in the sand than to actually admit what we are supporting is wrong, or that we should examine ourselves and the world