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lightningbolt1
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Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise
#7161905 - 07/11/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know you experienced people hate thes repeats, but i am needing some advice.
I have used the search function, and found really only a little on this, and I need some direction.
I have experienced Tomentose growth in my jars. i am using cambodian cubensis strain, pf tek, brf and verm, with an rr f/c.
Colonization was quick, steady, and strong. I had some complications with water content, and had an overabundance of moisture. I had Tomentose ( fluffy) mycelium growth, verses Rhizo growth. Reading the limited amount of information available here on this, i found that tomentose myc may not produce fruits, and may be bad. It is usually caused by something being less than optimal in my substrate conditions; i'm guessing it was the moisture.
I have birthed 2 cakes into my rr chamber ,and i have a cheepie humidistat, and it says i am hovering around 70-75% humidity, which isn;t good, and i am having trouble raising it to anything higher. I have misted the perlite 2x a day to keep a healthy water presence in the perlite. There is no condensation on the walls of my fruiting chamber, but there is on the foil.
I have been reviewed and told i am doing ok with my project thus far. It's in the Grow Log portion of this forum.
The cakes in my f/c are developing Tomentose mycelium quite well, and have blossomed with little fuzz balls all over them ,and seem to be doing well.
My anxiety is stemming from the idea that this may not fruit at all, or very little. I fan the chamber when i mist, and my chamber is in indirect sunlight, with an open window near the chamber for outdoor air circulation into the room. So far, i have eliminated the factors for tomentose growth, at least the negative, and i need to know
Will this fail? am i growing mycelium for fun? will this not fruit? am i being too jumpy at the prospect of growing a great, white chunk of nothing?
All of my jars showed tomentose myc development, they are all inoc'd with the same strain.
Is cambodian cubes non rhizo?
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: lightningbolt1]
#7161920 - 07/11/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I KNOW i have to go out and get the book, i found that already.
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: lightningbolt1]
#7161934 - 07/11/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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All cubes have the potential to be rhizomorphic. Strain is more a description of tendencies--it's not a hard division, like species. The degree to which they are rhizomorphic is primarily, if not entirely, determined by genetics. Get yourself some petri dishes and some agar, or a new line, if you're that worried about tomentose growth. Meanwhile, relax, count to ten, deep breaths and all that.
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will this not fruit?
There's one good way to answer that question, and it doesn't involve the internet: Wait and see.
We all freak out when we think a grow might be going badly. Usually, we see pins in the next couple of days. See my post(s) on aerial rhizomorphs for an example of such a freak-out.
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7161948 - 07/11/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i wasn;t woried about the type of growth untill i began reading the ropey vs fuzzy threads, which is why i began to ask questions, and try to find out more.
i'll be waiting for something to happen, i'm just trying to learn and better myself in the meantime.
I'm trying to correct and adjust for more success, and with the little bit of info aound on these two conditions, it was best to ask you uber-experienced persons
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: lightningbolt1]
#7161956 - 07/11/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've always understood that rhizomorphs are a sign of quicker-growing mycelium. I've never heard that tomentose was incapable of fruiting. Doesn't seem logical to me.
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Edited by figgusfiddus (07/11/07 04:43 PM)
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7161960 - 07/11/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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goodness, i hope not.
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: lightningbolt1]
#7161967 - 07/11/07 04:43 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i found that rhizo strands are exploratory food seekers. There is also linear growth, which may be what i have, verses tomentose, meaning the food was readily available, and easy to access.
I think this is a good thing to try to separate in understandble terms, so people like me don;t go whatwhat what!!! i have a mycelium devlopemnt type that is BAD? HOW????
it would be prime to know how to tell the differences. Rhizo's easy, linear vs tomentose isn;t as easy, especially with no pictures.
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Edited by lightningbolt1 (07/11/07 04:45 PM)
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: lightningbolt1]
#7162460 - 07/11/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very often with multispore inoculation, what you have is many different types of mycelium growing together and one on top of the others. What is often mistaken for one type of mycelium is actually this pile of various types, or even the same type. If your cakes are in the FC and fuzzing up, they're good to go.
You should NOT see condensation on the sides of the terrarium, especially with holes in the sides for air exchange. Condensation indicates one thing and one thing only: A temperature differential between inside and outside the FC. It does not indicate humidity in any way, shape, or form.
I'd suggest a quality, $12 hygrometer from a cigar shop and calibrate it weekly at first, and then you can go to monthly calibrations after it breaks in.
With that style terrarium, you have lots of air exchange, so naturally, you need to mist to make up for the moisture that is evaporating from your substrate. A steady rate of evaporation from the substrate along with full colonization and a high rate of air exchange are three of the five major pinning triggers. RR
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9117471 - 10/22/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am in exactly the same boat. I have been researching and the only thing I find is that fluff wont fruit. So thanks for clearing that up, it WILL still fruit.
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: figgusfiddus]
#9117567 - 10/22/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think I have actually heard of fluffy fruiting heavier.. ?
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Re: Rhizomorphic vs Tomentose: Reprise [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19722970 - 03/20/14 10:08 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Very often with multispore inoculation, what you have is many different types of mycelium growing together and one on top of the others. What is often mistaken for one type of mycelium is actually this pile of various types, or even the same type. If your cakes are in the FC and fuzzing up, they're good to go.
You should NOT see condensation on the sides of the terrarium, especially with holes in the sides for air exchange. Condensation indicates one thing and one thing only: A temperature differential between inside and outside the FC. It does not indicate humidity in any way, shape, or form.
I'd suggest a quality, $12 hygrometer from a cigar shop and calibrate it weekly at first, and then you can go to monthly calibrations after it breaks in.
With that style terrarium, you have lots of air exchange, so naturally, you need to mist to make up for the moisture that is evaporating from your substrate. A steady rate of evaporation from the substrate along with full colonization and a high rate of air exchange are three of the five major pinning triggers. RR
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Some of my best performing grows were from tomentose growth on agar, it depends on the media, tomentose can change to rhizo and back to tomentose if the media gets switched up. Just look for fast healthy growth or clone fruits.
Fluff will fruit and fruit well.
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