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Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests...
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The protests against the government in Ukraine have reached the crisis point.  If you think they are bloody now, wait until the Olympics are over on Sunday and Putin then tells the Ukranians to get tough.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/19/protesters-clash-with-police-in-ukraine-capital-as-opposition/

Shouldn't we be doing more to support democracy in the Ukraine?


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: mpd]
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Agreed.  Too bad there's no oil or lithium. :lol:


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invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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There's a lot of oil and natural gas there.  We are the world's largest producer of oil now, so we don't need their oil.  We need Eastern Europe to survive the second coming of the Soviet empire.  Putin said the biggest disaster of the 20th century was the break-up of the Soviet empire.

Fatal words for Ukraine.


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: mpd] * 1
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mpd said:
Shouldn't we be doing more to support democracy in the Ukraine?


We got our own problems and probably many more people will die if we go over to "support democracy".

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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: mpd]
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:themoreyouknow:  Huh, you learn something everyday.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: mpd]
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mpd said:
The protests against the government in Ukraine have reached the crisis point.  If you think they are bloody now, wait until the Olympics are over on Sunday and Putin then tells the Ukranians to get tough.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/19/protesters-clash-with-police-in-ukraine-capital-as-opposition/

Shouldn't we be doing more to support democracy in the Ukraine?

I'm not sure what exactly we (I read "we" as "the U.S.") could do.  The recent release of intercepted calls between diplomats seems to indicate that (shockingly!) we are meddling behind the scenes vis-a-vis the composition of a theoretical new, transitional government.  I think as usual we will only cause problems if we try to back certain individuals and groups for our own interests. 

The EU could certainly help Ukraine free itself from Russia's grip, by threatening to divest from Russian energy.  Instead it just talks the talk, without caring enough about Ukraine to actually confront Russia and risk drastically altering the energy status quo.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: mpd]
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mpd said:
The protests against the government in Ukraine have reached the crisis point.  If you think they are bloody now, wait until the Olympics are over on Sunday and Putin then tells the Ukranians to get tough.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/19/protesters-clash-with-police-in-ukraine-capital-as-opposition/

Shouldn't we be doing more to support democracy in the Ukraine


The US doesn't care about supporting democracies, it cares about "stabilizing" the region. And rightfully so. I am sure we are doing more than any of us know. Our people need to find a better method of communication than phones though, we know better than anyone else how vulnerable they are.


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
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Let us fervently hope you are right and more is being done behind the scenes.


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: mpd]
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So Putin controls the Ukranian public?

As we've seen in the past 60 years, not everybody wants to be invaded by democracy and forced to be a democracy. What exactly is the motivation for joining the EU? Its in shambles right now.

Unless you want to count Socialist (shudder) Germany propping everybody else up.


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
What exactly is the motivation for joining the EU? Its in shambles right now.



access to free markets.  its always a good thing.



edit:

Current EU shambles-


Current Ukraine shambles-

Edited by memes (02/19/14 12:35 PM)

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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: memes]
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This isn't abour democracy or russia, its about the west trying to force Ukraine to join the European union. 

I say crush the violent protesters,  in any eestern country they would not tolerate violence an riots from demonstrators.

The globalists aligned with the EU are doing everything possible to make Ukraine look bad right now because they want to gain control of Ukraine.


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: memes]
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memes said:
The Ecstatic said:
What exactly is the motivation for joining the EU? Its in shambles right now.



access to free markets.  its always a good thing.

I think the net effect would be positive for Ukraine, but there are some things to consider.  First, a lot of Ukrainians' savings would be hit by accession to the EU.  Ukraine would likely be on a three-to-five year track to adopt the Euro, but regardless when that came around the transition would be costly to individuals, both in terms of their savings' real value and the rise in cost of all goods that has traditionally accompanied the Euro switch.

There is also Russia's looming threat to expel Ukrainian workers from tens of thousands of industrial jobs, which Ukraine would struggle to replace and whose equivalents in the EU might require qualifications that put Ukrainians at a disadvantage.  There is also Ukraine's energy dependence on Russia, which the EU would have trouble compensating for given its own usage of Russian oil and gas.

The brain drain that would inevitably occur with relatively robust Western European economies being opened (if not fully and immediately, at least relatively) to Ukraine's young professionals is another thing to consider.

Still, I strongly agree it would be much more beneficial for the country's economy in the long run than remaining de facto aligned with Russian interests or joining a Russia-dominated customs union and eventual Central Asian EU equivalent.

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Current EU shambles-


Current Ukraine shambles-


I mean, Greece has looked like that second picture recently, although without the same level of bloodshed.  Spain, Portugal, and Italy have all been similar, and Croatia is potentially on the brink of such violence.  All due to corruption, high youth unemployment, and austerity, which would all still face Ukraine for the foreseeable future if they joined the EU.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
I say crush the violent protesters,  in any eestern country they would not tolerate violence an riots from demonstrators.




Imagine what would happen if this was going down in DC :strokebeard2:


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: unknown1123]
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I'm also sick of people crying "democracy" whenever a loud minority makes noise.


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
This isn't abour democracy or russia, its about the west trying to force Ukraine to join the European union. 

I say crush the violent protesters,  in any eestern country they would not tolerate violence an riots from demonstrators.

The globalists aligned with the EU are doing everything possible to make Ukraine look bad right now because they want to gain control of Ukraine.


Onward and upward to tyranny and the government of the few, for the few and a good ass fucking for everyone else.  Fascism seems to be your vein, Shins.  How cosmopolitan...


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: mpd]
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Why? Because I disagree that joining the EU is in Ukraine. .. or anyone's intrrest?

The European uinion is fascist.  Why do you like it so much?  Why do you want the EU to skim the bank accounts of Ukrainians?


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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: unknown1123]
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unknown1123 said:
Shins said:
I say crush the violent protesters,  in any eestern country they would not tolerate violence an riots from demonstrators.




Imagine what would happen if this was going down in DC :strokebeard2:


Is it really that far away?  Fuck Obamacare and the horse it rode in on.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Why? Because I disagree that joining the EU is in Ukraine. .. or anyone's intrrest?




And being a Russian puppet is better?

The EU can't force anything on anybody because they don't have the balls.  Putin has the balls, though.  He's a scumbag but he he isn't a scumbag eunuch.  You can't spell eunuch without EU.

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Re: Dozens Die in Ukranian Protests... [Re: zappaisgod]
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At this point he's basically a mafioso.


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs

Edited by TheGreenArrow (02/19/14 02:51 PM)

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