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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
I have no problem with the poor I just believe that having a strong free market economy is the best way to help them not handouts. And when I make a decent wage one day I will willingly donate to causes I support.


What kind of causes would allow you to help the poor without giving them what you would deem "a handout" as you say?

I mean, do you consider food a handout? Food should be a right, no American should ever have to go hungry.


I am mostly referring to monetary handouts yea food should be given freely a great amount of it is wasted.


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Food should not be, and is not, a right.

One persons "right" can not be paid for at another persons expense.


Do you consider having firefighters a right? How about clean running water? How about public schools? How about paved roads? These were all paid for by other people before you ever came into this world.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
Eh I don't support religion but I know they have helped alot of people with there charity programs. Irregardless they aren't forcing me to donate money to them like the fed is.


We essentially live in a theocracy with puritanical laws such as those which go into prohibition, a movement which has its basis in christian values and costs wealth everywhere from the prison system to law enforcement. That's aside from any moral or ethical concerns since those concepts don't seem to apply in this world.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
Eh I don't support religion but I know they have helped alot of people with there charity programs. Irregardless they aren't forcing me to donate money to them like the fed is.


We essentially live in a theocracy


:lolsy: no we don't


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Food should not be, and is not, a right.

One persons "right" can not be paid for at another persons expense.


Yet the monetary elite hoard resources which could otherwise feed others, and they have a "right" to do so.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
luvdemshrooms said:
Food should not be, and is not, a right.

One persons "right" can not be paid for at another persons expense.


Do you consider having firefighters a right? How about clean running water? How about public schools? How about paved roads? These were all paid for by other people before you ever came into this world.


None of the things you listed are a right.

I'll phrase it differently.

You can not perform a moral act by performing an immoral one.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
:lolsy: no we don't


Your ignorance of the influence christianity has in American politics has no bearing on reality.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
luvdemshrooms said:
Food should not be, and is not, a right.

One persons "right" can not be paid for at another persons expense.


Yet the monetary elite hoard resources which could otherwise feed others, and they have a "right" to do so.


Yup. They earned it.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
:lolsy: no we don't


Your ignorance of the influence christianity has in American politics has no bearing on reality.


Calling our society a theocracy is really stretching it man.


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
luvdemshrooms said:
Food should not be, and is not, a right.

One persons "right" can not be paid for at another persons expense.


Do you consider having firefighters a right? How about clean running water? How about public schools? How about paved roads? These were all paid for by other people before you ever came into this world.


None of these are rights. They are privileges. If they are rights, why doesn't everyone in the world have them? I think the issue is kindness. Everyone has the mentality of being out for themselves, fuck everyone else.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
You can not perform a moral act by performing an immoral one.


And what is moral about exploiting the masses for the benefit of the few?



luvdemshrooms said:
Repertoire89 said:
luvdemshrooms said:
Food should not be, and is not, a right.

One persons "right" can not be paid for at another persons expense.


Yet the monetary elite hoard resources which could otherwise feed others, and they have a "right" to do so.


Yup. They earned it.


Earned, corrupt politicians take bribes and give illegal incentives to wealthy businessmen. People abuse the system and steal, exploit and cheat.

If your concept of earning is stealing, then there's nothing wrong with taking back the wealth that was stolen through force political or physical. Irregardless of opposing opinions one should watch for their survival. Personally I blame the masses for stratification and not the elite, due to their passivity.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
Repertoire89 said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
:lolsy: no we don't


Your ignorance of the influence christianity has in American politics has no bearing on reality.


Calling our society a theocracy is really stretching it man.


Not when you have god on the dollar bill, swearing on bibles in court, anti-abortion laws based on religious sentiment, anti-drug laws based on religious sentiment, anti-gay marriage laws based on religious sentiment. How many American presidents were not christian?

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Repertoire89]
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So, if I start a slave factory in China where I imprison thousands of workers and pay them practically nothing, and then end up making multi-billions of dollars selling those goods overseas in Europe and America, I earned it, and taking that money from me to help some of the poor people I exploited in the first place, is definitely what's really immoral here. :flowstone:

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Repertoire89]
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:rofl2:

Exploiting? Hardly.

Hyperbole is why it's so difficult to have discussions.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Repertoire89]
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I would say its changing slowly but its getting better I have never felt discriminated against even though I am an atheist


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
I would say its changing slowly but its getting better I have never felt discriminated against even though I am an atheist


Yes, but you have never run for office. You are among students, at a university.

I mean, how many times was Obama called a MUSLIM when he first ran for office? And he wasn't even a Muslim, he was just a Christian black guy! :lol: Imagine how obliterated the atheist will be when he runs for platform.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said:
Gilgamesh18 said:
I would say its changing slowly but its getting better I have never felt discriminated against even though I am an atheist


Yes, but you have never run for office. You are among students, at a university.

I mean, how many times was Obama called a MUSLIM when he first ran for office? And he wasn't even a Muslim, he was just a Christian black guy! :lol: Imagine how obliterated the atheist will be when he runs for platform.


Well many Americans are ignorant I would like to think religion won't be such a factor within the next few decades


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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
:rofl2:

Exploiting? Hardly.

Hyperbole is why it's so difficult to have discussions.


Hyperbole, you haven't even formed an argument yet you're accusing me of hyperbole and complaining about the character of the discussion.

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
Well many Americans are ignorant I would like to think religion won't be such a factor within the next few decades


I think you're kidding yourself.


Quote:
The study detailed Americans' deep and broad religiosity, finding that 92 percent believe in God or a universal spirit -- including one in five of those who call themselves atheists. More than half of Americans polled pray at least once a day.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/23/ST2008062300818.html


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Just found a new study on minimum wage workers! [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
luvdemshrooms said:
:rofl2:

Exploiting? Hardly.

Hyperbole is why it's so difficult to have discussions.


Hyperbole, you haven't even formed an argument yet you're accusing me of hyperbole and complaining about the character of the discussion.


If you say so.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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