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kpin,xanax,ativan
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what benzo would be most effective in combating alcohol w/d?


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
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diazepam for it long halflife


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Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: daz01]
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I have some of that but it really fucks me up for like 2 days..i don't like the way I feel on diazepam


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
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i believe ativan is what is generally given in hospital settings

im no doctor though

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted]
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I have a script for it but ive never tried it yet


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
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well definitely not xanax. i would try the ativan first because it's the "weakest". i used to be prescribed ativan 1mg and i didnt even know it was a benzo and so I never abused it, that's how weak it was. normally if I know something is abuseable I will abuse the hell out of it. how much booze have you been drinking?

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted]
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That is a combination for a quick blackout so beware

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: daz01]
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Doctors usually give librium, but out of the classic Buenos I'd say diazapam

Edited by Magicman69 (11/25/13 10:57 AM)

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: dpomalia]
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dpomalia said:
That is a combination for a quick blackout so beware

i dont think you understand the post

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted]
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also to people saying diazapam, i don't know if that is such a good recommendation. diazepam's long half can become a problem when users begin to compound the effects because they believe the previous dose has completely worn off and they take another. he could end up just replacing the alcohol addiction with a valium addiction

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Magicman69]
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Magicman69 said:
Doctors usually give librium, but out of the classic Buenos I'd say diazapam



I have only ever gotten librium for alcohol withdrawal in jail. when I was in the detox ward of the hospital the alcoholics appeared the be receiving IV ativan

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted]
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a 7-15 beers daily for 16 years:tongue:

I feel jittery right now.im fighting the feeling to drink.if I drink though I get into liver/rightside pain/discomfort.even left side pain as I know thats probably my gastritis flaring up.
must not drink!

what about Xanax?


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
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what about Xanax?


I have never heard of xanax being given for alcohol withdrawal. short halflife, high potential for abuse/cross addiction

your alcohol consumption is pretty significant but could certainly be worse.

have you considered consulting a doctor about this? do you have medical insurance?

if you go with ativan, don't take more than 3mg. you're not trying to get fucked up, you just want to get rid of the WDs. right? if you take enough to get fucked up you will simply cross addict.



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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted]
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I just want something to take this edge off.i have clonidine too but that shit gets me dizzy AF..

what about a clonazepam?

I have these medications on hand btw


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
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learning sponge said:
I just want something to take this edge off.i have clonidine too but that shit gets me dizzy AF..

what about a clonazepam?

I have these medications on hand btw


i would say a single kpin is definitely better than a xanax. i still have never heard of kpins being given for WDs. clonidine will just put you to sleep, it won't get rid of the WDs

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
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Any benzo will take the edge off. 2 mg of Clonazapam will do the trick

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Magicman69]
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Clonidine is a blood pressure medication that makes you drowsy. That's usually prescribed for opiate WDs

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted] * 1
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How much have you been drinking daily. 7-15 beers a day is bad, but not terrible.

Maybe it would be possible to slowly cut down 10% a week or every 2 weeks and smoke weed to make up the difference. That would be 1-2 beers down a week. Maintain discipline. Do not radically cut down and smoke weed it wont actually stop the seizures and other withdrawal symptoms. It will just help you sleep at night. I don't know if this will actually work but it is an idea.

Otherwise the standard:

Ativan is usually what is given in the ER for withdrawal treatment and they will also give you a prescription for it to maintain you for a few days until you can follow up for supervised alcohol withdrawal treatment. Go to treatment! There are a lot of resources out there for help. You can ignore the total alcohol cessation information if you want, but you need to go to have MEDICALLY SUPERVISED WITHDRAWAL with medication which will control the withdrawal side effects. Get this under control atleast. Alcohol withdrawal can be dangerous and can lead to seizures, which if uncontrolled can lead to brain damage. Withdrawal also causes tremors and hallucinations, which are unpleasant. These are not the fun hallucinations. They are DELIRIUM hallucinations, which are nightmare-ish, are difficult to discern as hallucination, and will be often out of your control.

Ativan is one of the more polar benzos and more of it will be floating around in your blood stream. That makes it easier to dose correctly. Klonopin and Valium are more hydrophobic and get stored in your fat tissue like THC and then is slowly released and broken down. Both ways are possible but you need to be careful and not then get stuck on a benzo habit.

Librium was the old go-to for alcohol withdrawal, but they have phased it out because it has long half-life and an even longer half-life of one of it's metabolite that make it more difficult to accurately dose someone leading to more side effects to the treatment.

DO NOT TAKE YOUR BENZOS AND DRINK ALCOHOL YOU WILL EXPONENTIALLY WORSEN YOUR ALCOHOL DEPENDENCY AND WILL THEN RUN INTO PROBLEMS FINDING HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS TO HELP YOU.

Please do not f*ck yourself over. It is so sad to see people go from an adult to a functional baby shitting and pissing all over themselves and requiring to be babysitted before sobering up in 3 hours and demanding to be released to return to drink and embarrass themselves.

Edited by RogerAdams (11/25/13 11:20 AM)

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Magicman69]
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As a former alcoholic, I'd reckon you shouldnt need benzo's at all if all youve consumed is 7-15 beers a day.

The fact that you've steadily been able to consume only 7-15 beers a day for so long would make me believe your body hasnt developed much of a tolerance for GABA.

The other reason I say this, is because if you say Valium makes you feel out of it for 2 days, then I'd think it is too strong of a dose youre taking.


Youre probably better off tapering down with alcohol itself, it shouldnt be hard starting from 7-15 beers/day. I'd start by cutting out a single beer every 2-3 days and see how that works for you before using benzo's to replace the alc, and then tapering the benzo's. Bringing in benzo's for a mild alcohol addiction sounds like a recipe for benzo addiction, and youre putting yourself at unnecessary risk.

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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Magicman69]
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first off thank you guys for the advice.im literally taking this a minute at a time.my mind isn't forcing me to quit my body is.alcohol is just putting me into too much physical pain and ive been dealing w/ beer related pain for 7 years(gb lost/gastritis/horrible heartburn/blood coming out of my ass/puking every morning/binge eating)..it worries me to think no beer for TG,but tbh I cant even enjoy it lately because of the discomfort/pain it puts me in...

@MM69 yeah its a BP med,doc says it has an off label use to help alcohol w/d as well.i know if I take a tiny pill and combine it with weed it gives me the most horrible light headed feeling

@RA thank for the advice.i went through w/d in September of '12 because of the pain.it lasted 4 days and I did it completely medication free.my piss turned brown,i had no energy,very strong sugar cravings(ate a lot of big stick popsicles),whole body sweats,chills..i hope this w/d isn't as bad or possibly even worse.ive been drinking a solid 12 pack a day since I fell off the wagon in January of '13(4 months dry)


@MW yes I have medical insurance but I don't want this going on my record and I don't want to be locked up in a hospital for 3-4 days..i really wouldn't have a problem with it if I didn't have responsibilities..matterfact ive been wanting to go to rehab but my responsibilities wont allow me to leave for an extended period..i might end up doing the AA thing


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