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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19186044 - 11/25/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Try going to an AA meeting before you commit yourself to a 12-step based rehabilitation center. A lot of people get sober using the 12 steps without ever needing to go to rehab. Rehab can be counterproductive for many addicts/alcoholics, like me. Rehab is where I learned how to use needles...


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: RogerAdams]
    #19186055 - 11/25/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ativan for me is very bad. One time I got ativan instead of my xanax script. I got .25mg pills, so I took 3.

I tripped like I was on mushrooms. So did my (ex)wife. We took them and started to play WoW. After about 20 minutes we both forgetting what buttons to push, couldn't really talk right, then straight visuals started for both of us. Walls breathing, color spot lights all over, patterns in the carpet, everything. Scared the shit out of me :lol:


Kpins have a crash on them for me. If I take a bananakin, the next day im all depressed and pissy and just general mood swings.

Xanax is my choice of benzo, but Im sure everyone has their preference.


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted]
    #19186060 - 11/25/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Try going to an AA meeting before you commit yourself to a 12-step based rehabilitation center. A lot of people get sober using the 12 steps without ever needing to go to rehab. Rehab can be counterproductive for many addicts/alcoholics, like me. Rehab is where I learned how to use needles...





Also mention the 12 step program isn't for everyone and AA is bullshit to many.

Ive done rehab, NA, AA, and several forms of outpatient drug counseling.

AA and 12 steppers are preachy beyond beliefs more often than not in my experience.

As well 12 steps teaches you to admit you have no control over a substance which is complete BS. The ONLY person who has control over their own use is them. God doesnt make me drink, alcohol doesnt make me drink. I make the choice of whether I drink.


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #19186077 - 11/25/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Try going to an AA meeting before you commit yourself to a 12-step based rehabilitation center. A lot of people get sober using the 12 steps without ever needing to go to rehab. Rehab can be counterproductive for many addicts/alcoholics, like me. Rehab is where I learned how to use needles...





Also mention the 12 step program isn't for everyone and AA is bullshit to many.

Ive done rehab, NA, AA, and several forms of outpatient drug counseling.

AA and 12 steppers are preachy beyond beliefs more often than not in my experience.

As well 12 steps teaches you to admit you have no control over a substance which is complete BS. The ONLY person who has control over their own use is them. God doesnt make me drink, alcohol doesnt make me drink. I make the choice of whether I drink.



indeed, I have a friend who is also a shroomerite who was heavily addicted to IV opana/dilaudid and quit all drugs using willpower. Many AAers will try to tell you that such individuals were never true addicts to begin with. it becomes a semantic issue. AA is a convenient place to meet sober people but the "program" itself doesnt "work" for me, in terms of getting rid of the compulsion to take mind-altering substances


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted]
    #19186131 - 11/25/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not Xanax. Shortest half life


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #19186177 - 11/25/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
Try going to an AA meeting before you commit yourself to a 12-step based rehabilitation center. A lot of people get sober using the 12 steps without ever needing to go to rehab. Rehab can be counterproductive for many addicts/alcoholics, like me. Rehab is where I learned how to use needles...





Also mention the 12 step program isn't for everyone and AA is bullshit to many.

Ive done rehab, NA, AA, and several forms of outpatient drug counseling.

AA and 12 steppers are preachy beyond beliefs more often than not in my experience.

As well 12 steps teaches you to admit you have no control over a substance which is complete BS. The ONLY person who has control over their own use is them. God doesnt make me drink, alcohol doesnt make me drink. I make the choice of whether I drink.



indeed, I have a friend who is also a shroomerite who was heavily addicted to IV opana/dilaudid and quit all drugs using willpower. Many AAers will try to tell you that such individuals were never true addicts to begin with. it becomes a semantic issue. AA is a convenient place to meet sober people but the "program" itself doesnt "work" for me, in terms of getting rid of the compulsion to take mind-altering substances




That right there says it.

I feel the same, NA/AA never really addresses the compulsion to use.

To me NA/AA may stop the active use. But the active use is only a symptom of a deeper problem. NA/AA isn't able to to resolve the deeper problem that makes someone susceptible to drug abuse.

So even though a person may stop drinking, the negative thoughts that caused the drinking are still present, and often lead to other harmful behaviors to fill the void, ie sex addiction, gambling addiction, chain smokers, heavy caffeine use, compulsive shopping etc.

That is why in my opinion, 12-step/AA/NA only really focuses on the surface of addiction.

To really overcome addiction, the root cause needs to be addressed. Through psychotherapy, meditation, even pyschadelics in the proper mindset and environment.

However the root cause for addiction is a much more complex problem that requires much more intensive methods to treat, and is different for everyone, so it requires a specialized approach that many 12-step/NA/AA programs dont have the resources to deal with.

TL;DR. Stopping the behavior of alcoholism is relatively easy, resolving the issues that drive that behavior is more difficult.


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #19186382 - 11/25/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok I just popped .5mg alprazolam.i almost caved to drinking right now,especially don't help I have like 9 eight ounce budwiesers in the fridge.i smoked some weed first and I can already tell im gonna go into pain if I even take a small sip of beer.wow I already feel the alprazolam and I just took it 2 minutes ago.this is gonna be hard but that pain is reminding me I really cannot drink even if I want to


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19186425 - 11/25/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ok I just popped .5mg alprazolam.i almost caved to drinking right now,especially don't help I have like 9 eight ounce budwiesers in the fridge.i smoked some weed first and I can already tell im gonna go into pain if I even take a small sip of beer.wow I already feel the alprazolam and I just took it 2 minutes ago.this is gonna be hard but that pain is reminding me I really cannot drink even if I want to





There has been testing with DXM in helping alcohol WD's.

I would only recommend looking into if if your WD's get so bad youre writhing on the floor in pain.

As the DXM isnt itself very pleasant, but did allow me to do small tasks, where previously unable to do anything because in w/d it felt like my skin was burning.


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19186471 - 11/25/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I must have been stressed because the alprazolam has really help calm me down.im so glad I didnt drink,im actually out of pain

@ES that's interesting about DXM but with my beat up liver I really don't wanna be putting DXM on my liver but thank you though..i have somewhat tapered this last couple days anyway because the pain has got so uncomfortable I literally have been slowly sipping beer instead of pounding them like I want to

I feel really good right now from the small therapeutic dose of Xanax and weed.i feel sedated and high without the bloating and pain although IMO alcohol synergises better with weed and is a lot more euphoric than this but this is still pretty good.i cant believe I went through my last w/d's cold turkey


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: Doctor Sponge]
    #19186495 - 11/25/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'd suggest trying some k-pins next time.  They last a while and I feel like the longer duration would help out with WD. 

Don't which your addictions though..... I was addicted to klonopin for a while over summer and getting off them sucked.


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Re: kpin,xanax,ativan [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #19186534 - 11/25/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I prefer adeevan. I think it would be a bad habit to get into, going on a bender then using anxiety pills. Is common practice in rehabs though.

For awhile I didn't even realize how stressed out I was before I got a small script for Ativan's. I took one and soon as it hit I wanted to go out and hang with friends. I was nicely relaxed. :cool:


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