pirate-blues said:

sorry to hear you're struggling zee. i wasn't prescribed amps that young but i was on ssris and heavy sleeping pills from a young age. it really sucks, but not to the extent of a 7 year old being given amphetamines. That blows my fucking mind. My parents were always against the amps and I  decided to go on them myself in my late teens

imo, the only way for me to use amphetamines "regularly" is in low therapeutic doses every other day, max. It's a happy medium between giving it up entirely and giving in to ever growing tolerance(and feeling stimmed up all day every day), also if you reinforce good habits on the days you skip then you are actually doing something to treat you adhd.

seriously, it makes me so angry that meds are being touted as cures or treatment. it's a fucking bandaid, at best it's a tool to be used in conjunction with other treatment. but no psychiatrist of GP has ever done anything but hand me scripts. I highly suggest, if you have the insurance/means, to find a therapist who is experienced in treating add, they'll help fill in the blanks that the meds don't reach.

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Chowder963 said:

No, but good luck man, if you ever feel the urge just drink a beer and preoccupy yourself. I've never been addicted to stims long term so I don't know how long craving it lasts, but that seems like what I'd do. Whenever I do vyvanse its once in a while and when I come down I'm like "I'm never doin that shit again". I even don't really like Molly because of the comedown, I think I get them worse than the average person I'm not sure.

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BlindSophist said:

Again, I think it's fucked that amphetamines are prescribed to minors. I think we really need to move away from this practice. However, the fact remains that some people actually have ADD/ADHD and stimulants are actually a good medication for this disorder.

It needs to be understood that children behave erratically, and their behavior should be as unregulated as possible. This is in line with our national values of freedom and individuality. Americuh, fuck yeah.

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The add/ADHD debate always bothers me, because of how positive I am that I have it. Throughout pre-k to elementary, there was no doubt my behavior stood out from other kids. I still question whether or not how I would be today if i never got put on the meds, maybe the meds have worsened my diagnosis...

I see your point but even though they work, they still have negative side affects i don't think anyone should be obligated to endure. I'm so frusterated with the dependency I have on these meds.

zee007 said:

BlindSophist said:

Again, I think it's fucked that amphetamines are prescribed to minors. I think we really need to move away from this practice. However, the fact remains that some people actually have ADD/ADHD and stimulants are actually a good medication for this disorder.

It needs to be understood that children behave erratically, and their behavior should be as unregulated as possible. This is in line with our national values of freedom and individuality. Americuh, fuck yeah.

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The add/ADHD debate always bothers me, because of how positive I am that I have it. Throughout pre-k to elementary, there was no doubt my behavior stood out from other kids. I still question whether or not how I would be today if i never got put on the meds, maybe the meds have worsened my diagnosis...

I see your point but even though they work, they still have negative side affects i don't think anyone should be obligated to endure. I'm so frusterated with the dependency I have on these meds.

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BlindSophist said:

zee007 said:

BlindSophist said:

Again, I think it's fucked that amphetamines are prescribed to minors. I think we really need to move away from this practice. However, the fact remains that some people actually have ADD/ADHD and stimulants are actually a good medication for this disorder.

It needs to be understood that children behave erratically, and their behavior should be as unregulated as possible. This is in line with our national values of freedom and individuality. Americuh, fuck yeah.

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The add/ADHD debate always bothers me, because of how positive I am that I have it. Throughout pre-k to elementary, there was no doubt my behavior stood out from other kids. I still question whether or not how I would be today if i never got put on the meds, maybe the meds have worsened my diagnosis...

I see your point but even though they work, they still have negative side affects i don't think anyone should be obligated to endure. I'm so frusterated with the dependency I have on these meds.

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What side effects are you talking about? I'm just curious because for me, the side effects from the daily dose are really minimal, especially if I've developed a tolerance over a course of weeks or months.

I don't think the meds have worsened your diagnosis unless you've abused them really severely, and even then it seems iffy to me. There is very little rebound with this stuff, most of the "withdrawal" is purely psychological since you've gotten accustomed to the benefits of being medicated. The way you describe your withdrawal (lack of motivation in particular) just sounds like ADHD to me. Speed addicts who go clean don't have trouble with motivation after the first week or two of abstinence, they have trouble with cognitive defects, and that's only because they've been taking extremely high (neurotoxic) doses on a long-term basis.

There's nothing wrong with being dependent on a drug, as long as you are not addicted to the drug (by which I mean spiraling tolerance, along with the need to constantly be taking higher doses just to stave off withdrawal symptoms) and are actually benefiting from it in the intended way. Everybody is dependent on oxygen; people with bad eyesight are dependent on glasses; diabetics are dependent on insulin; ADHD people are dependent on speed. I won't deny it sucks, but would you tell a diabetic not to take insulin just because he's afraid of needles?

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