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My Shamanic Awakening
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This forum post shares the author's personal experience with hallucinogens, particularly LSD, after a year-long heavy use. The author recounts a music festival incident where they felt their life force drained and were taken to a "middle world" by a mysterious figure. They describe vivid experiences, including a tour of a new realm, meeting a tattooist, and interacting with "merry pranksters." The author reflects on the pursuit of knowledge and believes that hallucinogens can spark spiritual evolution, potentially leading to humans becoming creators themselves. They emphasize that the ultimate goal is to achieve balance and harmony, suggesting that the misuse of these substances could lead to negative consequences.

I'm typing this post a little over a month old. In awareness, that is...

I came into this world 23 years ago. I started messing around with hallucinogens at 16, and got fairly heavy into L somewhere along the way (also caught probation, which I'm still on, so specifics will now fade). I'd venture to say that I'm "experienced". I won't BS and pretend that I've made it to the level of family shit (in fact, I sadly no longer even have a source ; :wink: but there was a year straight of 25-40 hits consumed each week, usually all in a complete run beginning Friday morning, carrying through until Sunday.

I'm also a fairly bright individual, who was going through an excellent college education as this happened. I came from a strongly religious background, and always took my practice and faith seriously, although I've grown weary of institutions with age. The fact remains, I was a spiritual person, save for a few dark years of alcoholism, and had a tendency to turn the heads of the priests/leaders involved in my life.

There was this music festival, about a month ago. The very circumstances of how I decided to go to it are out of this world, and paradigm shifting, but I can't talk go into details about that. Should this post interest some, and should I be released from my probation as promised in the not too distant future, I will reply back with this story.

Anyways, the music festival is going pretty typical. The music ends for the night and I'm pretty well together. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't hop into a car and drive, or feel right talking to my mom, but I could most likely swing a conversation with my Dad without worrying about scaring him too much. I'm bubbly and ready for a long night of talking, and I'm walking to my car.

This much I know for certain: midstride, I felt as if all of the life force was suddenly sucked from me. I collapsed in the pitch black parking lot, hard, face first into the dirt. The second I hit the ground, however, several flashlights came on me from different directions. A group of three or four quickly approached, and instead of being concerned, they seemed to expect me in this state. One crouched down (oddly dressed), and flipped me over onto my back. I couldn't move a muscle. They started working on me like Emts, possibly removing my clothes. For some reason, I think they catheter-ed me. At this time, they may've given me another drug.

What I don't know is whether moments before my collapse, some person approached me in the parking lot and said, "hey- want a thumbprint?" I have vague memories of this, and me being like "Yeahhhh, sure" while thinking "This is obviously a sham". I don't know whether this went down, or whether it was something entered into my brain, talked about while I was about to enter my next state.

I quickly went unconscious, on the ground, with those lights on me and people around. But I didn't fade to black. No, not at all.

I was still on the festival grounds, except there were far less people around. And I knew, I wasn't in my body, although for all intensive purposes I did have an identical vessel, and seemed limited by things you'd associate with bodies (you'll see the nausea later).

I'm going to be painstakingly vague hear because I had some kava root tea tonight and even thinking about these things is exhausting. At the risk of sounding like a screwball I'll just tell you outright:

I had some ventures in the middle world. I saw the line of eternity. I crossed over it, knowing that this meant I'd die. On the other side, all of the sensations were so vibrant that I couldn't take it, and became dizzy. I collapsed, unable to tell up from down. A jogger suddenly appeared and she knelt beside me. She helped me up and gave me a tour of this new realm. She brought me to a suicidal tattooist (possibly a symbol for Hunter S Thompson; he's associated with tatoos in my mind). This man gave me a ride on a golf cart (a lame red shark?!) and took me to the bigwig himself, who's presence alone felt like the warmest hug. Me and the bigman talked about some things, then I was turned over to the merry pranksters, and the bunch of us had a riot. Hysterical laughing all around.

What I learned is this; the pursuit of knowledge is a terrible waste of the human body. We know everything. Its already somewhere locked within your soul. You never learn anything, you remember. I'm not saying that you shouldn't read books; I'm saying that under no circumstances should you prioritize the acquisition of knowledge over finding love, in whatever form love comes, whether it be friendship or romantic or adoption of a child.

Everything has spirits. Just as there is a mother ayahuasca that talks to people while loaded on the substance, the right batches of LSD have their own spirits, and they care about the human race, as well as the well being of the Earth (although they are argueably less attached to the Earth than the spirits of substances that grow as plants. I've read of encounters with mother ayahuasca and she seems to push the "save the earth" mission far more than the LSD spirit did. While spreading this message, the LSD spirit seemed to REALLY push the message that LSD is the next step in human evolution; that it has already severely altered my DNA in a positive way through the use of epigenetics, and that it's also a lithmus test in some way or worthiness. LSD isn't fair, it isn't an "every person has their place" sort of spirit. It's very much natural selection. Some people lose their minds from taking just a single dose, even if only temporarily. I don't know why, but there's something about these people that ensures they won't be able to evolve as far as those that can take a quarter ring off of a crystal and smile/write a novel.

It's my belief that LSD is a vital tool in awakening the spirituality in those who are spiritually deprived. I can only wonder what happens when you give it to indigenous people who are already shamans, or at least live in shamanic communities.

But LSD aside, humans have enormous potential as a species. We have bodies... that's what differentiates us from the creator. The creator is all knowing. The creator can do some wild shit. But the creator is all spirit.

My experience led me to believe that the use of hallucinogens can spark the next spirtitual evolution. Somewhere along the way the use of them may become obsolete; we will all be able to access the spirit world because of our evolved states, and while not quite the same as watching a wall melt, we will be able to do some pretty wild things.

The ultimate point? We will eventually become creators ourselves. The physicality of the person will lock them into an archetype, something that all spirit creator wasn't locked into. The perfect synergy between spirit evolved body may mean that the final race of humans are immortal. Each human will go on to create their universe, only being able to create subversions of their archetype. A universe inhabited by life of only one common archetype would probably get along much better than our current world (Less war, more camaraderie, ect.) What's the result of this? More positive energy.

Could the negative energy really keep up? Or will balance be an obsolete concept? Has the creator set in motion a plan which could possibly erase the darkness that seemed the exist from his very dawn? Are we like an immune system, able to possibly heal our creator? To purge the darkness?

And if so, does the possibility of wiping each other out with nukes, of using all of the Earth's resources without a backup plan (space colony) mean we also carry the capability of falling prey to an autoimmune disorder?

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lot_justice]
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I question everything. Even 'the sacred'..lol. This means that if I look at an ancinet traditions--even a shamanistic one etc and there's stuff I feel the need to question, I will do. Same is so for someone's sacred experience --like yours. That is MY freedom to do that. I hope you understand.

OK, there are some things I like about your experience and interpretation OF the experience and some I do not.

I love this bit:
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What I learned is this; the pursuit of knowledge is a terrible waste of the human body. We know everything. Its already somewhere locked within your soul. You never learn anything, you remember. I'm not saying that you shouldn't read books; I'm saying that under no circumstances should you prioritize the acquisition of knowledge over finding love, in whatever form love comes, whether it be friendship or romantic or adoption of a child.



Yes --we re-member. And in indigenous African Dagara tradition the understanding is that you don't teach the child, you help her/him remember.

Psychedelic experience is like that. SUDDENLY all the toxic crap we have been fed by this insane culture since we was old enough to understand its language drilled into us often via our very parents, and of course the enforced schooling system and mass media--it is all blown A-way and we see and feel nature and the universe (nature INCLUDES the universe) as sacred, and our bodies and our natures are sacred--all interrealted. And this is real meaning of love.

What I don't like is when you assume of there being a 'creator' who is 'all-spirit' and you assume that darkness may be gotten rid of--via evolution. That is patriarchal thinking!. In Goddess religious understanding Nature is her BODY and there is no duality between spirit and nature and light and dark and life and death etc.

ALSO, LSD was the first psychedelic which turned me on when 15. I didn't have to go looking for it, it tapped me on the shoulder right in the heart of Piccadilly Circus in London.
What it did. it blew A-wAy the sorry trip I had been on since being a kid of about 9/10 when school and culture had gotten me obsessed with big concrete cities and looking at the natural world as though it was inferior to the mean city with its mean people. I would throw litter into nature--a sure sign of disrespect.

And remember, LSD is a trigger/catalyst. Apparently after about 1 hour and a half it is gone from the body and what your experiencing is what it has triggered!

Though I can see what you mean in some people. Leary, for example--the 'LSD guru' of the 60s was against the Ecology Movement because he believed it was a hindrance to Tranhumanist evolution and leaving planet Earth in spaceships and genetically transforming into other forms. That is HIS trip, not mine!

Edited by zzripz (08/21/13 06:34 AM)

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lot_justice]
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"What I learned is this; the pursuit of knowledge is a terrible waste of the human body. We know everything. Its already somewhere locked within your soul. You never learn anything, you remember. I'm not saying that you shouldn't read books; I'm saying that under no circumstances should you prioritize the acquisition of knowledge over finding love, in whatever form love comes, whether it be friendship or romantic or adoption of a child. "



Beautiful words and words to live by, seen and heard :mushroom2:


I'd say wiping ourselves out with nukes is the greatest autoimmune disorder we can have at this point. The next step would be wiping ourselves with fusion or high energy gamma rays. The best thing about the worst thing is that there's always a worse thing than that.


We do not need to heal our creator, we need to heal ourselves. Creator is unchanging and could not be any other way.


LSD has an intense fiery kind of energy to it that ayahuasca does not present directly, an intense electric heat that sears through the nerves and etches itself into your circuitry. It takes a particular relaxation to elicit the same warmth from ayahuasca but with acid you dive straight into the deep end of that energy current.


The universe is a true/false computer. A hypothesis machine. Answering every question it invents thereby creating the next question, which again is answered instantaneously. A big question on the notion of the passage of time is whether it is broken up into frames/slices and if so, how so?

There are research groups looking for a discrete lattice imposed on space which might answer this question. In such a case we could see that the nature of the universe revolves around the processing and optimisation of information flow, that nature itself being embodied as the very information that is flowing - a self observing process that observes itself in what it creates.


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"Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern."

"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: crkhd]
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One particularly beautiful acid trip I had at fifteen sent me on my Eastern journey and still influences me 30 years later.


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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: eve69]
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"
We do not need to heal our creator, we need to heal ourselves. Creator is unchanging and could not be any other way.
"

"What I don't like is when you assume of there being a 'creator' who is 'all-spirit' and you assume that darkness may be gotten rid of--via evolution. That is patriarchal thinking!. In Goddess religious understanding Nature is her BODY and there is no duality between spirit and nature and light and dark and life and death etc."

Great play-offs here between the two comments :]

I view the relationship between creator and creation as a goal driven one, simply because my interactions with the spirits have been interactions when very goal oriented spirits. The idea of an unchanging creator is horrific, becuase it assumes that our creator is the end of the line, with no real basis for doing so. More so, I've learned that rationals can only take you so far with these things before crossing over intuitions. I can smell darkness, I can smell despair, and its something that lingers inconsequential to the various dramas of all these people which surround me.

There was a time in which I wasn't aware that the spirit world even existed, let alone that I could begin to explore it through dreaming and other techniques. My experiences on the other side are so profound that I'm reluctant to say, "Ok, this is everything." Far all I know, in what I deem "the spirit world" creator has a fairly constrictive bubble protecting me from very powerful forces, ones which creator did not create (his/her contemporaries in a sense) 

The reason I'm inclined to believe this is because I have created realities. Yes, it's only through the help of the spirits that this has happened, bless them, but it's a troubling amount of responsibility. During this experience, the way in which I re-entered my body was that the people around me read a scene from a short-story that I had composed in which a divine being manifested in matter and rained down upon my body, reforming in a sexual position. As they read this, there was some sort of synergy between the spirits and I; I wasn't a pure channel through which they worked. We both created this scene and made it happen.

zzripz, your comment really concerns me, but only because of traumatic experiences attached to my particular ego. I've seen people with that same viewpoint struggle to attain levels of self control, and the darkness that wasn't separable from the light somehow was justifying abusive behavior, because self-abuse is permissible, and you and I aren't the same (their thoughts). It's possible that I'm already going the routes of several religious leaders by default in how I word and share my experiences in considering,

"What will yield the most positive results?"

Back to goal-orientation :grin:

The most profound part of this trip, ya'll, was witnessing creation. Not just the scene in which I returned to my body; I got to witness how a scene is created. It was a rapid experience, pure darkness (as in nothingness), and then some squiggly things (atoms?) and then geometric planes from the squiggly things, and then grass (for the first few seconds, I could SEE the individual atoms within the grass still moving in each blade) It was AWESOME

But I didn't really address zzzrips claim that I quoted that there is no true division. I'm going to think that over as I have my morning tea :smile: Thanks for the replies ya'll, it really made my morning

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lot_justice] * 1
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"And remember, LSD is a trigger/catalyst. Apparently after about 1 hour and a half it is gone from the body and what your experiencing is what it has triggered!"

I thought that LSD (not just the metabolite of LSD but the actual substance) is detectable in urine tests for up to 72 hours after consumption.

When it's a random thing like the dose coming and finding you, yes LSD is experienced as a trigger. To me, it's like a plug in to a flow that was highly intangible before it presented itself, and now is utterly tangible. However, if LSD is consumed all of the time, amazing things happen. If you build up a steady reserve of it in your body, eventually you build a tolerance and lose a lot of the profoundness of it. Life seems a little more lucid, on the other hand, and I swear up and down, your will becomes unstoppable when put to good causes. For instance, I could sit and focus on areas of chronic pain/ache and feel them heal. My tendency to have a personal will in conflict with universal will was nearly eradicated; in a sense, the light was always shining on me, and it kept shining because all I wanted to do was give it away.

Edited by lot_justice (08/21/13 02:26 PM)

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lot_justice]
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I heard that it left the body in approx one and half hours from listening to an interview with James Fadiman--who seems to know his stuff. Please will you link to your source which claims it is detected in urine after 72 hours?

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lot_justice]
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lot_justice said:
"And remember, LSD is a trigger/catalyst. Apparently after about 1 hour and a half it is gone from the body and what your experiencing is what it has triggered!"

I thought that LSD (not just the metabolite of LSD but the actual substance) is detectable in urine tests for up to 72 hours after consumption.

When it's a random thing like the dose coming and finding you, yes LSD is experienced as a trigger. To me, it's like a plug in to a flow that was highly intangible before it presented itself, and now is utterly tangible. However, if LSD is consumed all of the time, amazing things happen. If you build up a steady reserve of it in your body, eventually you build a tolerance and lose a lot of the profoundness of it. Life seems a little more lucid, on the other hand, and I swear up and down, your will becomes unstoppable when put to good causes. For instance, I could sit and focus on areas of chronic pain/ache and feel them heal. My tendency to have a personal will in conflict with universal will was nearly eradicated; in a sense, the light was always shining on me, and it kept shining because all I wanted to do was give it away.


:psychsplit::rainbowcloud::psychsplit:

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: eve69]
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eve69 said:
One particularly beautiful acid trip I had at fifteen sent me on my Eastern journey and still influences me 30 years later.


Intriguing.



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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lot_justice]
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Now talk to the plants ;-D

Each has something to teach, every animal and nature has too, everyday
but sometimes it is often the same type of animal..

I learn something new from nature each day, for the past year
it surprises you with a new miracle each day

but not only nature, you can learn from anything around you even when walking/in daily life
just observe

the soul is equally great in every living creature

houseplants,pets,walk in nature,sit in nature,gardening  is essential for me, reconnects me and brings infinite happiness each of them

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lessismore]
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I was wrong about 72 hour detection, that is a metabolite of it. Although there aren't concrete numbers, it could be removed from the system in 4-24 hours.

Erowid cites an article which claims, "Although research in the 1960s found the half-life of LSD was around 3 hours, more recent research shows that LSD's metabolism takes several hours and its peak plasma levels occur at around 3-5 hours after ingestion. It is important to note that such research is highly dependent on the individuals who were used for the research, with metabolism of many drugs varying by up to 2-3 times, larger numbers of research subjects reduces the likelihood of having a skewed range."

I talk to trees, but the plants around here ain't got much to say my man. My back hurts though, and they ain't very tall, so I might be biased.

Squirrels on the other hand...

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lot_justice]
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Quote:
I talk to trees, but the plants around here ain't got much to say my man.


Depends on how you listen

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: zzripz]
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I find the only things without much to say of worth are the humans. :haha:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: My Shamanic Awakening [Re: lot_justice]
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lot_justice said:
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We do not need to heal our creator, we need to heal ourselves. Creator is unchanging and could not be any other way.
"

"What I don't like is when you assume of there being a 'creator' who is 'all-spirit' and you assume that darkness may be gotten rid of--via evolution. That is patriarchal thinking!. In Goddess religious understanding Nature is her BODY and there is no duality between spirit and nature and light and dark and life and death etc."

Great play-offs here between the two comments :]
[[trimmed for brevity...]]

Back to goal-orientation :grin:

The most profound part of this trip, ya'll, was witnessing creation. Not just the scene in which I returned to my body; I got to witness how a scene is created. It was a rapid experience, pure darkness (as in nothingness), and then some squiggly things (atoms?) and then geometric planes from the squiggly things, and then grass (for the first few seconds, I could SEE the individual atoms within the grass still moving in each blade) It was AWESOME

But I didn't really address zzzrips claim that I quoted that there is no true division. I'm going to think that over as I have my morning tea :smile: Thanks for the replies ya'll, it really made my morning



If you peer at the harmony of it, I am fully agreeing with ZZRipz in the first place. It's another way to look at the same damn diamond.




When it comes to LSD, the trip doesn't actually ever end. In the geometric web of visuals you see in front of you, all you gotta do is tap into LSD-ness. Imagine the LSD trip is the 'flavour' of the LSD tab just as strawberry flavour is the entire experience of eating a strawberry. Just tune yourself onto that wavelength/flavour space and LSD-mode is accessible any time, any where. Just gotta know how to talk to the LSD spirit! It's always willing to blast your mind to the next level, always so happy to show you another way to appreciate!


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"Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern."

"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

"If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific

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