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TheHobbit
Pot Head Pixie

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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: PDU]
#1832587 - 08/20/03 07:35 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Another major consequence of a rise in atmospheric temperature is an increased frequency and intensity of storms, droughts, and so forth. A rise in sea level could displace many people living in areas near rivers and shorelines as well. I don't think science will offer any quick fix solution at any point either, and the governments of the world are seemingly driven by business concerns which suffer when environmental considerations are given priority. I'd give us maybe 200 years, if that. Things could get out of hand very suddenly, with no one knowing what to do.
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Purple Haze
Lime and limpidgreen, a secondscene

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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: TheHobbit]
#1835731 - 08/20/03 11:05 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll have a lemonade with ice when earth collapses on it's overwarmed self
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biglo
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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: Purple Haze]
#1835795 - 08/20/03 11:31 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Godamn, is everyone a nihilist? Sheez... My theory is that even if all these changes did occur, the whole world isn't gonna be gone, it's just gonna readjust, that's what life on Earth is all about godamnit!!! Even on the big wheel of catastrophy, there's gonna be winners and losers. The dinosaurs lost, but that made way for other species and ecosystems. The main advantage humans have is their ability to adapt better than any other living organism (viruses/bacteria excluded) and also our technology. Even if 99.9% of the world's human population was destroyed, there'd still be 6 million people left!!! As long as conditions don't become too overwhelming for human survival, we can repopulate the place in no time. It's just that some species would lose and some would win. (Sorry manatee, looks like your time's up, but hey! Conditions are perfect for a rainforest to develop in the Sahara now!) See what I'm getting at? Even if calamity strikes, our Earth's plant, animal, and micro organisms have had to deal with this shit for millions of years. Hopefully we're well adapted and advanced enough to keep on going, but it's still gonna suck for the 5,994,000,000 other humans on Earth that lose the lotto. That's just my theory on things. People have been predicting judgment day for centuries, and while it may someday come, probability is hopefully still in our favor to last another 5 billion years, till Earth is gobbled up by our Sun expanding. But hey, I'm not gonna be around for that day, so I'm not all gloomy about it! Although it is important to preserve and protect our environment, some species are just gonna die anyways, but that CANNOT be used as an excuse to continue to rape and plunder the planet. Although we may have royally fucked up things in the past 50 years, that's a blink of an eye compared to how long earth's been around, and who know's? Since we have recognized that our actions are having an impact, and if we keep vigilant to correct the err of our ways, perhaps we can have things back to normal in 200 years. I dunno, maybe I'm too enthusiastic because I'm still young (20), and haven't been around long enough to grow completely cynical, but part of the problem of all the doom sayers is that they're so preoccupied with bitching about living in a situation that is so so bad that they'd rather do that and be miserable than actually working to do something about changing their situation. As Smoochy the Rhino said, "You can't change the world, but you can make a dent." Phew! Well that's the end of my rant, please feel free to comment, I'll try to check back on this thread to see what comments people have for me. PS: I hope for our sake that nuclear weapons and fallout from one of our fuckups isn't the cause of the end of life on Earth. That would really suck, cuz radiation lasts a Looooooooooong time. By the time things evolve (Sorry I used the E word!!! OMFG!!! ) to the point that they have today, who knows if the sun wouldn't have been poised to gobble up earth, or a huge comet set us back a few hundred thousand years... Basically what I'm saying is that I believe we can survive a lot of catastrophe's, but a full scale nuclear war would suck, cuz it would probably fuck life up on earth, permenantly, and it would be caused by man, which would really suck. If doomsday is a comin, I'd rather die of "natural" causes!
Edited by biglo (08/20/03 11:36 PM)
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Purple Haze
Lime and limpidgreen, a secondscene

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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: biglo]
#1835905 - 08/21/03 12:21 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd prefer seeing people literally melt than being blown by some nuke, that would really suck 
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Drummer
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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: Purple Haze]
#1836089 - 08/21/03 02:17 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Bear sez: 1. The Great "Global Warming" Myth The greenhouse effect is a myth, and there have been extensive and complete, careful measurements which show absolutely NO increase in the average global temperature. The ones usually used in promoting this concept are based on incomplete sampling. Global warming does not exist. In fact there are so many buffers in the atmosphere that it can't happen, even if the CO2 increased hundreds of times over. First of all, the CO2 content in the atmosphere is only a very tiny amount, about 300 parts per million. This CO2 stays in the air in equilibrium with the CO2 dissolved in the oceans. Since CO2 has a very steep curve of solubility in water, the amount in the air is critically dependent upon the sea surface temperatures (cold rain falling is an excellent CO2 scrubber). World CO2 measurements have traditionally been based on the levels tested in the air at Mona Kea Observatory in Hawaii. The charts of the levels fluctuate seasonally, rising in the summer and falling in the winter. If the levels are compared to the actual sea surface temperature measurements taken at Hilo, which is at the base of Mona Kea, the seasonal variations are seen to track exactly with the temperature. Even the gradual increase over time is duplicated in the temperature reading, as the average temperature at Hilo has been rising in exact lock step with the rise in the Mona Kea CO2 levels. (The charts of these measurement are easily available, making this a trivial exercise if you wish to verify my statements). Burning fossil fuels is probably one of the most important aids to the life cycle on this oxygen-rich, carbon-poor planet that man can do. Most of the primeval carbon is locked away in the oil and coal deposits formed over the ages by cell death of the phytoplankton (diatoms), which created the oxygen-rich environment by decarboxylating the CO2 in the primitive atmosphere. The limits placed on CO2 are unreasonable and impede the creation of wealth which benefits everyone, and are harmful to the plant life at the same time. 2. The Great "Hole in the Ozone" Myth. Likewise another myth, that of "ozone damage" was a scam developed by DuPont in a push to outlaw Freon. The patent has run out, and since it is a totally stable compound, is the most ideal refrigerant known, AND is very cheap to manufacture, they needed to ban it so that they could sell a (patented) replacement HFC, which is nowhere near as good a refrigerant, called (get this!): Soma. There is absolutely no verifiable data that the "destruction" reactions between chlorine and ozone actually occur anywhere other than in apparatus and under laboratory conditions. There is no verifiable data that there is any significant portion of the atmosphere's chlorine is the result of breakdown of CFC's (Freon is the principal member of this class of compounds). CFC's are so stable that they have been used in very successful fire-extinguishing systems. Another factor is that there is no verifiable evidence that CFC's, which are very dense, heavy gases have any way to make it out of the troposphere into the lower portion of the stratosphere. Of course there is no mechanism known to science which would transport these dense compounds to the upper levels of the stratosphere (stratos means layered, there is no convective mixing in this part of the atmosphere, because the temperature rises with increased height). It is in the uppermost layers of the stratosphere where the energy from the sun in the form of very short wave UV and electrons in the solar wind create the ozone we need to protect us at the surface. The "hole in the ozone" scam was attacked by a large group of prominent scientists in the so-called Heidelberg paper, with volcanologists as prominent signatories. Volcanos are the single highest source of atmospheric chlorine, measured in the tens of millions of metric tonnes/year. Man's total OUTPUT of Freon never exceeded a hundred thousand pounds of equivalent chlorine, and of course most of that never gets into the atmosphere, never mind that it is one of the most stable organic chemicals known. And I believe him
-------------------- People don't want other people to get high, because if you get high, you might see the falsity of the fabric of the society we live in. -Ken Kesey
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Purple Haze
Lime and limpidgreen, a secondscene

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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: Drummer]
#1838876 - 08/21/03 09:02 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess all those massive forest fires and drought are the effect of pure randomness then...
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wecontrolsweetfreedom
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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: Purple Haze]
#1860183 - 08/28/03 06:31 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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so, of course, the earth is going to burn, or freeze, or dround, or maybe even play poker... Each of these things is as irrivelent as the other when you consider the fact that we won't be living here. As scientists have began exploration of mars, they have also been studying the moons of Jupiter. If I'm not mistaken, the plan is to send up pollution machines to speed up the process of global warming on the planets, creating an inhabitable atmosphere in time for mankind to survive... It was my understanding that we would have societies on mars and the moons of Jupiter in 50 to 75 years. So it doesn't really matter what happens to the earth if we're not living on it...
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Snape
Eternal Chaos


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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: HagbardCeline]
#1860408 - 08/28/03 07:49 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
HagbardCeline said: If you were given the choice to be born, what would you say...?
Shut up and don't let any spermatozoid reach that damn egg.
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I'm floating in the sea of stars, I'm drifting away from the shore I will be lost in the dream when the dark days come But I will make the time run backwards and I'll make the stars shine again
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Tasty_Smurf_House
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Re: In 60 years, we are all doomed... [Re: Snape]
#1861392 - 08/29/03 12:24 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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who the fuck cares? toke up. have fun. don't stress over shit you won't be around to see. if you wanna do something to help future generations that's ok but otherwise just kick back.
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PDU
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Quote:
Tasty_Smurf_House said: who the fuck cares? toke up. have fun. don't stress over shit you won't be around to see. if you wanna do something to help future generations that's ok but otherwise just kick back.
Pretty much my new mentality. My contribution to saving the future will be awareness and not having children. Cant do much more, and i dont have to stress myself out about it, or sound like a whiner. *thinks of certain groups..*
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