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So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization?
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I was thinking about just how hard it has been to get herb legalized, while at the same time drugs are scheduled so easily. There is an incredible imbalance!

We all know the long list of arguments for marijuana: improving the lives of those with multiple sclerosis, cancer, and aids; a foundation of racism, the failed drug war, the U.S. leading the world in incarceration, blah blah blah... so many have worked for DECADES to get it legalized, and there's still years of fighting left.

On the other hand, substances are scheduled with surprising ease and regularity.

According to Wikipedia, here is the process for scheduling drugs. Basically, powered by the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, the following groups are involved:

- Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)
- Health and Human Services (HHS)
- Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
- National Association of State Controlled Substances Authorities (NASCSA)
- National Institute on Drug Abuse

This is one clusterfuck of government agencies.

Seems to me that they basically send some paperwork back and forth, and a drug gets scheduled.

This whole thing is so frustrating. It is so clearly NOT the answer.

Wikipedia said:
The Drug Enforcement Administration, established in 1973, combining the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD) and Customs’ drug agents,[13] is in charge of proceedings to add, delete, or change the schedule of a drug or other substance may be initiated by the DEA, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), or by petition from any interested party, including the manufacturer of a drug, a medical society or association, a pharmacy association, a public interest group concerned with drug abuse, a state or local government agency, or an individual citizen. When a petition is received by the DEA, the agency begins its own investigation of the drug.

The DEA also may begin an investigation of a drug at any time based upon information received from laboratories, state and local law enforcement and regulatory agencies, or other sources of information. Once the DEA has collected the necessary data, the Deputy Administrator of DEA,[14] requests from HHS a scientific and medical evaluation and recommendation as to whether the drug or other substance should be controlled or removed from control. This request is sent to the Assistant Secretary of Health of HHS. Then, HHS solicits information from the Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration and evaluations and recommendations from the National Institute on Drug Abuse and, on occasion, from the scientific and medical community at large. The Assistant Secretary, by authority of the Secretary, compiles the information and transmits back to the DEA a medical and scientific evaluation regarding the drug or other substance, a recommendation as to whether the drug should be controlled, and in what schedule it should be placed.

The medical and scientific evaluations are binding to the DEA with respect to scientific and medical matters. The recommendation on scheduling is binding only to the extent that if HHS recommends that the substance not be controlled, the DEA may not control the substance. Once the DEA has received the scientific and medical evaluation from HHS, the DEA Administrator will evaluate all available data and make a final decision whether to propose that a drug or other substance be controlled and into which schedule it should be placed. Under certain circumstances, the Government may temporarily schedule[15] a drug without following the normal procedure. An example is when international treaties require control of a substance. In addition, 21 U.S.C. § 811(h) allows the Attorney General to temporarily place a substance in Schedule I "to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety". Thirty days' notice is required before the order can be issued, and the scheduling expires after a year; however, the period may be extended six months if rulemaking proceedings to permanently schedule the drug are in progress. In any case, once these proceedings are complete, the temporary order is automatically vacated. Unlike ordinary scheduling proceedings, such temporary orders are not subject to judicial review.

The CSA also creates a closed system of distribution[16] for those authorized to handle controlled substances. The cornerstone of this system is the registration of all those authorized by the DEA to handle controlled substances. All individuals and firms that are registered are required to maintain complete and accurate inventories and records of all transactions involving controlled substances, as well as security for the storage of controlled substances.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act


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Edited by ch1ck3n.s0up (02/09/13 10:27 PM)

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
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And altered state of mind, free thought, is the greatest threat to the tranny of government.

The only relief is that we live in a society where the law is easily broken. Just tred carefully and value the fact that sacred substances are not manufactured and distributed by corporations. Just imagine, the THC corporation of America, publicly traded on the New York stock exchange. With copyrights on strains of weed. And lawsuits against anyone who grows that strain.


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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: fbi365]
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It lets government bloat the fuck out of its law sector of course their gonna do everything they can to keep it that way. The more cops, lawyers, judges and jails the better. Their decisions laws aint gonna enforce themselves.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
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This is completely irrelevant (well only mildly related), but something I've realized is how little time humans have really spent as "intelligent", and it gives me hope. We've only really had serious technology for the past what...100 years? Only had civilization for a few thousand years.

I think all these things will get worked out, with time. Technology is the way forward, I think. Computers have only been around seriously for like...10 years. It keeps on growing as well. Computers, and more importantly the internet, are amazing. It's amazing what the free exchange of idea has done. Everything is changing, and I really believe that all problems humans have will stop, or at least most will, given the time.

Capitalism will end sometime not too far from now. Capitalism is simply too flawed. The way our governments are set up now is simply flawed. The way a lot of things are set up are just flawed. Including drug laws. With how much the world is changing, and how young we as a species truly are, you know? It HAS to change.

Ranting. Don't mind me.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Shroomerited]
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fbi365 said:
And altered state of mind, free thought, is the greatest threat to the tranny of government.



How is getting stoned a threat to the government?

I think sober people are more of a threat to the government than people who are high.



Shroomerited said:
Capitalism will end sometime not too far from now. Capitalism is simply too flawed. The way our governments are set up now is simply flawed. The way a lot of things are set up are just flawed. Including drug laws. With how much the world is changing, and how young we as a species truly are, you know? It HAS to change.



Oh really?  Have you figured out a better system than capitalism?  Please share it with us.

One alternative to capitalism is to have the government control everything.  But the government is inefficient so that's not a very good replacement.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Capitalism isn't flawed you pinko. Capitalism is the ultimate economic system of freedom. :thumbdown:

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Nullface] * 1
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Capitalism is flawed, but so are all the other systems.  In my opinion capitalism is less flawed than the alternatives.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
fbi365 said:
And altered state of mind, free thought, is the greatest threat to the tranny of government.



How is getting stoned a threat to the government?

I think sober people are more of a threat to the government than people who are high.



Shroomerited said:
Capitalism will end sometime not too far from now. Capitalism is simply too flawed. The way our governments are set up now is simply flawed. The way a lot of things are set up are just flawed. Including drug laws. With how much the world is changing, and how young we as a species truly are, you know? It HAS to change.



Oh really?  Have you figured out a better system than capitalism?  Please share it with us.

One alternative to capitalism is to have the government control everything.  But the government is inefficient so that's not a very good replacement.



I didn't say stoned.  I said an altered state. The government's interests obviously lie in keeping people sober. How else can you explain the the current prohibition laws.


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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Capitalism is flawed, but so are all the other systems.  In my opinion capitalism is less flawed than the alternatives.



Never said it wasn't. I'm just saying that's it's really flawed. Even if it's "better than the alternative", it's still deeply flawed. There will be a better economic system out there. Even if we haven't created it yet.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Nullface]
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Nullface said:
Capitalism isn't flawed you pinko. Capitalism is the ultimate economic system of freedom. :thumbdown:



Also, this. This is exactly what I'm talking about. This is why things are going to change. This post here.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: fbi365]
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fbi365 said:
I didn't say stoned.  I said an altered state. The government's interests obviously lie in keeping people sober. How else can you explain the the current prohibition laws.



When people are in an altered state, they are less likely to fight the government in any useful way. 

The current prohibition laws are there because most citizens are scared of drugs, and usually vote for the politician who is "tough on crime".

The government doesn't think "If this guy takes acid, he will figure out that we are a bunch of bs".  They think "If this guy takes acid, he will be dangerous to others and run around naked attacking cops for no reason."

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
The government doesn't think "If this guy takes acid, he will figure out that we are a bunch of bs".  They think "If this guy takes acid, he will be dangerous to others and run around naked attacking cops for no reason."




Agreed here, definitely.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Shroomerited]
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Can you identify these intrinsic flaws in capitalism and what sort of rectification should be enacted?
Saying "there's better out there, but it probably doesn't exist" amounts to a bunch of nothing.

The issue with drug laws is not capitalism, it is the general perception of drugs in the eyes of the majority.
While our perception obviously differs from them, bear in mind that we tend to associate with other like-minded individuals who validate our perception. The average law-maker, or to a greater extent, the average voter (who empowered this law maker) do not share these perceptions.

It has nothing to do with some 'tyrannical' conspiracy to preemptively quell rebellion that supposedly progenates from some dude taking a heroic dose of mushies, and everything to do with negative stigma as far as the perception surrounding the various impacts of drug use.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: something super extreme]
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sVs said:
Can you identify these intrinsic flaws in capitalism and what sort of rectification should be enacted?
Saying "there's better out there, but it probably doesn't exist" amounts to a bunch of nothing.

The issue with drug laws is not capitalism, it is the general perception of drugs in the eyes of the majority.
While our perception obviously differs from them, bear in mind that we tend to associate with other like-minded individuals who validate our perception. The average law-maker, or to a greater extent, the average voter (who empowered this law maker) do not share these perceptions.

It has nothing to do with some 'tyrannical' conspiracy to preemptively quell rebellion that supposedly progenates from some dude taking a heroic dose of mushies, and everything to do with negative stigma as far as the perception surrounding the various impacts of drug use.



I never said drug laws had anything to do with capitalism.

Also, flaws with capitalism? The fact that we can't feed everyone even though we have enough food to. That's a big one. Also you can't live on minimum wage. There's another one.

Just saying something better is going to come along, it has to.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Shroomerited] * 1
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Shroomerited said:
Alan Rockefeller said:
Capitalism is flawed, but so are all the other systems.  In my opinion capitalism is less flawed than the alternatives.



Never said it wasn't. I'm just saying that's it's really flawed. Even if it's "better than the alternative", it's still deeply flawed. There will be a better economic system out there. Even if we haven't created it yet.



The evolution of human thinking is not over. In terms of economic systems I would be very sad to see capitalism as the epitome of socio-economic thought. I don't know, shit, I went to college for a long time and have a good idea about social/economic/political systems and how they evolve over time. I emphasized in a frame of thought that hasn't caught  on yet. I hope somebody hires me to make it happen... 

We can debate about the barriers to that change. Or whether it is desirable or not. But not that a system that enforces a status quo frame of will achieve that.


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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: fbi365]
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fbi365 said:
Shroomerited said:
Alan Rockefeller said:
Capitalism is flawed, but so are all the other systems.  In my opinion capitalism is less flawed than the alternatives.



Never said it wasn't. I'm just saying that's it's really flawed. Even if it's "better than the alternative", it's still deeply flawed. There will be a better economic system out there. Even if we haven't created it yet.




The evolution of human thinking is not over.
In terms of economic systems I would be very sad to see capitalism as the epitome of socio-economic thought. I don't know, shit, I went to college for a long time and have a good idea about social/economic/political systems and how they evolve over time. I emphasized in a frame of thought that hasn't caught  on yet. I hope somebody hires me to make it happen... 

We can debate about the barriers to that change. Or whether it is desirable or not. But not that a system that enforces a status quo frame of will achieve that.



You get what I'm saying, man. :thumbup:

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Shroomerited]
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Shroomerited said:
Capitalism is simply too flawed. The way our governments are set up now is simply flawed. The way a lot of things are set up are just flawed. Including drug laws.



Shroomerited said:
I never said drug laws had anything to do with capitalism.




Unless there is a tragic misunderstanding, there seems to be a conflict here.
Perhaps you mean something slightly different, in which case we'll chalk it up to poor interpretation of poorer syntax.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: something super extreme]
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sVs said:
Shroomerited said:
Capitalism is simply too flawed. The way our governments are set up now is simply flawed. The way a lot of things are set up are just flawed. Including drug laws.



Shroomerited said:
I never said drug laws had anything to do with capitalism.




Unless there is a tragic misunderstanding, there seems to be a conflict here.
Perhaps you mean something slightly different, in which case we'll chalk it up to poor interpretation of poorer syntax.



I was really just ranting, about nothing in general.

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Shroomerited]
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:cheers:

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Re: So easy for drugs to get scheduled, but a monumental effort for legalization? [Re: Shroomerited]
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But with that, I was saying that capitalism is flawed. Also that drug laws are flawed. Not necessarily that capitalism is the reason why drug laws are flawed or vica versa. Or even that their flaws are in any way related. Just saying that they both are.

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