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OfflineBullfrog1
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Easy Rider........
    #1122757 - 12/08/02 09:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Just watched it on DVD. I've seen it about 10 times in the past. This has got to be one of the best films of the 60's. Young people today have no idea what these people went through in those turbulent years. We have so much freedom today that it's nauseating. In the late 70's I was into the punk seen, mohawk and all, and can remember the ass whoopins i got for my appearance. Today, it won't even turn a head.
As far as the film goes, it was directed by Dennis Hopper and took less than $400,000 to make but grossed 10x that amount. It's a timeless view of our culture through those years.
The ending is very enigmatic as Wyatt (Peter Fonda) tells Billy (Dennis Hopper)
"We blew it". I've read that it refers to them not staying with the hippies in the commune instead of pursuing their materialistic goal. This makes sense as they are both killed the following day.
All in all, I love the movie.  :grin: 


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Bullfrog1]
    #1123119 - 12/08/02 11:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Why did those hicks shoot them?


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Bullfrog1]
    #1123177 - 12/08/02 11:25 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm getting the DVD for Christmas. Definitely a classic head movie.

When the hicks shoot them off their bikes at the end, I always thought that that scene was very symbolic of what happened to the peace movement. The world shut down the peace movement just because it didn't like the way the people lived. Hundreds of thousands of people still get shot off their bikes every year here in America. Those hicks represent "the establishment" to me.



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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Bullfrog1]
    #1124020 - 12/09/02 06:22 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I've seen it once on tape back in '89. At the time I thought it was pretty good. Little do I know. I want to see it again.


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Bullfrog1]
    #1124765 - 12/09/02 02:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, great movie! :cool:

> In the late 70's I was into the punk seen, mohawk and all, and can remember the ass whoopins i got for my appearance.

So true. I don't think there's any dress code now that isn't accepted with a shrug of the shoulders, but back in the days. People would whoop your ass just for being different from them... :frown:

I love the acid trip with the prostitutes in New Orleans. Hell, I love the whole movie! It?s a fucking classic!


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Papaver]
    #1124775 - 12/09/02 02:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i agree one of the best depictions of an lsd trip ever.


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Bilge]
    #1124882 - 12/09/02 02:46 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

There was an old American International (Roger Corman) film called, "The Trip." It starred Peter Fonda, Dennis Hopper, Bruce Dern, and Susan Strassberg. Jack Nicholson wrote the screen play, and I believe Roger Corman directed. It has some silly stuff in it, but if you really watch the film with an open mind, it is also a good representation of an LSD experience in terms of the wave like build up, peaking, and dissipation of the experience itself. :cool:

I have tried to share this film with friends, but you really have to be a head and understand the LSD experience to appreciate Jack Nicholson?s screenplay and the pacing of it. Most people just laugh it off as trite, sixties, B-movie, drugsploitation noir... :frown:

"Psyche-Out," with Jack Nicholson, was on satellite the other night too. It?s not very good, but there is some nice location footage shot in Haight Ashbury...


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Papaver]
    #1125060 - 12/09/02 03:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I read about that in this month's Mojo magazine, which has a list of the top 100 drug songs by the way.  I heard it was banned from cinemas and hasn't been approved for video release yet either :frown:

Apparently the censors thought it was like a one and a half hour advertisement for LSD.


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Papaver]
    #1126137 - 12/09/02 08:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I would love to see "The Trip". I wonder if it'll ever come back in print. The soundtrack is in print, but the movie isn't. That's jacked up.

I saw a show on TV that talked about the movie. It said that the ending was changed into an unhappy ending. They were forced to change it so that the moral of the story would be "In the end, LSD is bad".




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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Revelation]
    #1126181 - 12/09/02 09:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Is that Mojo magazine still on the stands?!?! I would love to see what they thought the top 100 drug songs were!

What were to top five??

BTW Dennis Hopper made a movie called "The American Dreamer" in 1971 that will probably never see the light of day again. He played himself, and I think he just walked around tripping and stoned. I would love to see that.



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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Learyfan]
    #1126590 - 12/09/02 10:44 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

> It said that the ending was changed into an unhappy ending.

It's not a major thing. It's just at the end, after the trip, Peter's looking at the sunrise over the ocean or something, and then suddenly the picture freeze-frames and shatters. It's only like ten seconds at the very end, and kind of corny, but I guess it helped get it released. :smile:

After the success of Easy Rider, they gave Dennis Hopper a shit load of money to make any movie he wanted, and he took a bunch of people down to Peru to shoot a western. Evidently there were, many drugs, much debauchery, and even a little violence. Hopper was beginning to become a major coke-head. Anyway, the end result was unusable, so the whole thing is locked up somewhere. And I believe Hopper didn't work again for a number of years, while he explored the boundaries of sanity with heavy cocaine abuse. I think it was called, "The Last Movie," but I'm not sure... :crazy:

I dig Dennis Hopper. He's really cool! :cool:

A very talented actor, and very intelligent guy. He has an amazing understanding of Post-War American painting. He bought one of Andy Warhol's first soup can paintings, and has a great collection of deKoonings, and stuff...


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Papaver]
    #1126715 - 12/09/02 11:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yes. The Last Movie. I rented it from a nationwide video rental place. It was interesting. Not easy to follow really. I need to see it again. There is some unstaged reality captured in it. I've seen a handful of Hopper movies. Good stuff. Out of the Blue is real good. Never heard of American Dreamer though. Thanks LF.


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Learyfan]
    #1126796 - 12/09/02 11:25 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

* denotes single; ** denotes album track

1. Jefferson Airplane: "White Rabbit" (RCA, 1967)*
2. The Beatles: "Tomorrow Never Knows" (Parlophone, 1966)**
3. The Velvet Underground: "Heroin" (Verve, 1967)**
4. Rolling Stones: "Sister Morphine" (Rolling Stones, 1971)**
5. The Small Faces: "Here Comes the Nice" (Immediate, 1967)*
6. Grandmaster & Melle Mel: "White Lines (Don't Don't Do It)" (Sugarhill, 1983)*
7. Dillinger: "Cokane in My Brain" (Channel One, 1976)*
8. Love: "Signed D.C." (Elektra, 1966)**
9. Primal Scream: "Higher Than the Sun" (Creation, 1991)*
10. Plastic Ono Band: "Cold Turkey" (Apple, 1969)*
11. Neil Young: "The Needle and the Damage Done" (Reprise, 1972)**
12. Harry "the Hipster" Gibson: "Who Put the Benzedrine in Mrs. Murphy's Ovaltine?" (Musicraft, 1944)*
13. The Byrds: "Eight Miles High" (CBS, 1966)*
14. Fats Waller: "The Reefer Song" (V-Disc, 1943)*
15. Bob Dylan: "Rainy Day Women no. 12 & 35" (CBS, 1966)*
16. Ry Cooder/Buffy Sainte-Marie: "The Hashishin" (Warner Bros., 1970)**
17. Ramones: "Carbona Not Glue" (Sire, 1977)**
18. The Amboy Dukes: "Journey to the Center of the Mind" (Mainstream, 1968)*
19. Curtis Mayfield: "Pusherman" (Curtom, 1972)**
20. The Smoke: "My Friend Jack" (Columbia, 1967)*
21. Electric Prunes: "I Had Too Much to Dream (Last Night)" (Reprise, 1966)*
22. The Charlatans: "Codine Blues" (Big Beat, rec. 1966/rel. 1996)**
23. Country Joe & the Fish: "Section 43" (Rag Baby, 1966) [EP]
24. The Beatles: "Got to Get You Into My Life" (Parlophone, 1966)**
25. The Grateful Dead: "Dark Star" (Warner Bros., 1969)** [Live/Dead version]
26. John Prine: "Sam Stone" (Atlantic, 1971)**
27. The Velvet Underground: "I'm Waiting for the Man" (Verve, 1967)*
28. The Byrds: "Artificial Energy" (CBS, 1968)**
29. The Temptations: "Cloud Nine" (Motown, 1968)*
30. Lemonheads: "My Drug Buddy" (Atlantic, 1992)**
31. The Beatles: "Rain" (Parlophone, 1966)*
32. THe Heartbreakers: "Chinese Rocks" (Track, 1977)*
33. David Peel & the Lower East Side: "I Like Marijuana" (Elektra, 1968)**
34. Rodriguez: "Sugarman" (Sussex, 1970)**
35. The Jimi Hendrix Experience: "Purple Haze" (Track, 1967)*
36. Oasis: "Morning Glory" (Creation, 1995)**
37. Arlo Guthrie: "Coming into Los Angeles" (Reprise, 1969)**
38. David Essex: "Rock on" (CBS, 1973)*
39. Tim Hardin: "Red Balloon" (Verve-Forecast, 1967)**
40. Happy Mondays: "Do It Better" (Factory, 1988)**
41. Black Sabbath: "Sweet Leaf" (Vertigo, 1971)**
42. 13th Floor Elevators: "Roller Coaster" (International Artists, 1966)**
43. My Bloody Valentine: Glider EP (Creation, 1990)
44. Funkadelic: "Maggot Brain" (Westbound, 1971)**
45. Country Joe & the Fish: "Bass Strings" (Vanguard, 1967)**
46. Phil Phillips "Sea of Love" and "The Evil Dope" (Khoury's/Mercury, 1959 and Lanor, 1972)* and *
47. MC5: "Rocket Reducer no. 62" (Elektra, 1969)**
48. Ella Fitzgerald w/Chick Webb & His Orchestra: "Wacky Dust" (Decca, 1938)*
49. The Third Bardo: "Lose Your Mind" (Sundazed, 1967) [EP]
50. Flowered Up: "Weekender" (Heavenly, 1991)*
51. Kenny Rogers & the First Edition: "Just Stopped In (to See What Condition My Condition Was In)" (Reprise, 1967)*
52. Louis Armstrong: "Muggles" (OKeh, 1929)*
53. Rick James: "Mary Jane" (Motown, 1978)**
54. The Only Ones: "Another Girl, Another Planet" (CBS, 1978)*
55. The Allman Brothers Band: "Whipping Post" (Capricorn, 1969)**
56. Roland Stone: "Junco Partner/Preachers Daughter" (Ace, 1961)*
57. The Fall: "Totally Wired" (Rough Trade, 1980)*
58. Bert Jansch: "Needle of Death" (Transatlantic, 1965)**
59. KRS-One: "I Can't Wake Up" (Jive, 1993)*
60. Bomb the Bass: "Bug Powder Dust" (Stoned Heights/Island, 1995)*
61. Primal Scream: "Loaded" (Creation, 1991)*
62. The Holy Modal Rounders: "If You Want to Be a Bird a.k.a. Bird Song" (Elektra, 1968)*
63. Empirion: "Narcotic Influence" (Wanted/XL, 1994)*
64. Traffic: "Hole in My Shoe" (Island, 1967)*
65. The Orb: "Little Fluffy Clouds" (Big Life, 1990)*
66. Etta James: "I'd Rather Go Blind" (Chess, 1967)*
67. Eric Burdon & the Animals: "A Girl Named Sandoz" (MGM, 1967)*
68. Pink Floyd: "Astronomy Domine" (Columbia, 1967)**
69. The Flamin' Groovies: "Slow Death" (United Artists, 1972)*
70. The Rolling Stones: "Mother's Little Helper" (Decca, 1966)*
71. Pulp: "Sorted for E's & Wizz" (Island, 1995)*
72. Spacemen 3: "Walkin' with Jesus" (Glass, 1986)*
73. The Dramatics: "The Devil is Dope" (Stax, 1973)*
74. The Temptations: "Psychedelic Shack" (Tamla, 1970)*
75. Billy Boy Arnold: "Whiskey, Beer & Reefer" and "Sunday Morning Blues" (Alligator, 1993 and 1995)** and **
76. Underworld: "Born Slippy" (Junior Boys Own, 1995)*
77. The Stranglers: "Golden Brown" (Liberty, 1981)*
78. The Other Half: "Mr. Pharmacist" (GNP Crescendo, 1968)*
79. The Beach Boys: "Good Vibrations" (Capitol, 1966)*
80. Queens of the Stone Age: "Feel Good Hit of the Summer" (Interscope, 2000)*
81. The Count Five: "Psychotic Reaction" (Double Shot, 1966)*
82. Bob Dylan: "Desolation Row (Live)" (Sheffield, May 1966) [from Genuine 1966 Live bootleg]
83. Steppenwolf: "The Pusher" (Stateside, 1968)**
84. Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band: "Ah Feel Like Ahcid" (Blue Thumb, 1968)**
85. The Chemical Brothers: "The Private Psychedelic Reel" (Virgin, 1997)*
86. Donovan: "Hurdy Gurdy Man" (Pye, 1968)*
87. The Creation: "How Does It Feel to Feel" (Polydor, 1968)*
88. Fingers Inc.: "Mystery of Love" (Alleviated, 1985)*
89. Townes Van Zandt: "Waitin' Around to Die" (Poppy, 1968)**
90. Husker Du: "Pink Turns to Blue" (SST, 1984)**
91. James Brown: "King Heroin" (Polydor, 1972)*
92. The Doors: "The Crystal Ship" (ELektra, 1967)*
93. Fred Neil: "Sweet Cocaine" (Capitol, 1967)**
94. King Hannibal: "The Truth Shall Make You Free" (Aware, 1972)*
95. Cab Calloway: "Reefer Man" (Brunswick, 1932)*
96. Syd Barrett: "If It's in You" (Harvest, 1970)**
97. Wink: "Higher State of Consciousness" (Strictly Rhythm, 1995)*
98. Brewer & Shipley: "One Toke Over the Line" (Kama Sutra, 1971)*
99. Peter Cook and Dudley Moore: "The L.S. Bumble Bee" (Decca, 1967)*
100. Afroman: "Because I Got High" (Universal, 2001)*

There! That's the Mojo list. It's rockist. Because
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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: bivalve]
    #1128114 - 12/10/02 09:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Oh nice!

Mad props for posting that. I was surprised to see some of those on there.



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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Learyfan]
    #1129138 - 12/10/02 03:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

They missed out a lot of classics. I agree with the top 3 though.


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Papaver]
    #1129156 - 12/10/02 04:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Wow I would love to see that flic Pap, is there any way to get it?


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Bullfrog1]
    #1129160 - 12/10/02 04:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Great flick Bullfrog, have not seen it in years though!


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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: bivalve]
    #1129253 - 12/10/02 04:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

What's up with #32?

The Ramones did "Chinese Rock" first, not The Heartbreakers.







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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: Learyfan]
    #1130784 - 12/11/02 01:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I thought Dee Dee wrote it but the Heartbreakers
did it first.

The Heartbreakers version is cooler and Johnny
Thunders took more heroin than all of the Ramones
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Re: Easy Rider........ [Re: bivalve]
    #1133933 - 12/12/02 02:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You may be right.

I had never heard the Johnny Thunders version, only The Ramones'. I've also heard the Sid Vicious version of the song, but I knew that one wasn't original.



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