elax420 said:

GazzBut said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

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I get its cool to hate Israel and like Iran

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I just pointed out facts.

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Where are these supposed facts?

Wikipedia isn't a credible source at all. Plus that page didnt even load for me.

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Where are these supposed facts?

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Shins said:

elax420 said:

GazzBut said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

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I get its cool to hate Israel and like Iran

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I just pointed out facts.

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Where are these supposed facts?

Wikipedia isn't a credible source at all. Plus that page didnt even load for me.

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Wikipedia is not the source.

Wikipedia is as credible or incredible as the content of what is written on it and how it is sourced.

you are making an ad hominem argument which is a logical fallacy and in fact puts YOUR logical credibility into question.

wikipedia is merely a medium.

it doesn't matter what media or URL something is presented in, it matters that it can be sourced properly.

THESE are the sources to the article:

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^ Crowe Refutes ABC/Newsweek Charges on Vincennes
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^ a b Fogarty, William M. (28 July 1988). "Formal Investigation into the Circumstances Surrounding the Downing of Iran Air Flight 655 on July 3, 198". 93-FOI-0184. Retrieved 31 March 2006.
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Okay breh lets see how well that works on thesis paper. "No no you are failing to see, Wikipedia is merely a medium "
Furthermore i'm not making unsubstantiated blanket claims like "Isreal violates more international law than Iran" so I dont really see why my "ad Hominem" attacks even matter because all im doing is calling you on some bullshit not trying to make claims.

nope i dont gazz. I think America gets way too involved with Israeli disputes just everybody on this board seems to think its cool to go against the grain, so i'm playing a devils advocate of sorts. I could give a shit less if america shot down an Iranian civilian jet in 1988, them closing off a trade route that carries 1/5 of the worlds oil is a more serious issue for the peoples of the world.

Its not about Iran being a threat to our safety with a nuke. They are most certainly a threat to the safety of Isreal if they obtain nukes. China and Russia's backings don't mean shit if they get stupid enough to fuck with Israel on a large enough scale.

Lol at china and russia supporting the Syrian regime. Hope that one backfires on them like supporting the shah backfired on us

Shins said:

Press TV article:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/04/276071/iran-captures-intruding-us-drone/

Iran seems to have some pretty good hackers, they keep hacking these things and bringing them down.

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