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MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines
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So there's meth in MDMA? are MDMA and Ecstasy the same thing? how are MDMA & meth & ecstasy different?

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: pkoomer]
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google your interestss.

MDMA=methylenedioxymethamphetamine
methamphatmine = ice, crack.

both completely different drugs but it is said methamp is an adulterant in pills


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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: pkoomer] * 2
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pkoomer said:
So there's meth in MDMA?


No.
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are MDMA and Ecstasy the same thing?


No.
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how are MDMA & meth & ecstasy different?


Chemical structures differ.

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: pkoomer]
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:trololol:


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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: daz01] * 1
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daz01 said:
methamphatmine = ice, crack.


:orly:

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore]
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MDMA primary acts to regulate serotonin activity whereas methamphetamine only regulates dopamine (as far as I know).

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: pkoomer]
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pkoomer said:
So there's meth in MDMA? are MDMA and Ecstasy the same thing? how are MDMA & meth & ecstasy different?


Since the most basic answers have been given, this is the best i can do.




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I usually combat those kinds of negative statuses with a status of my own.

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore]
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SoreSpore said:
pkoomer said:
So there's meth in MDMA?


No.
Quote:
are MDMA and Ecstasy the same thing?


No.
Quote:
how are MDMA & meth & ecstasy different?


Chemical structures differ.



MDMA and ecstasy aren't the same thing where you're from? Do you guys only use ecstasy to mean pills, or something?


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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: EllisDSox]
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EllisDSox said:
MDMA and ecstasy aren't the same thing where you're from? Do you guys only use ecstasy to mean pills, or something?


MDMA and ecstasy aren't the same anywhere.

MDMA is a specific chemical compound that in it's purest forum, is unable to be pressed. You can't have a pure MDMA tab, it doesn't exist, only molly caps. So you have to include filler to make pills or add another compound.

Hello ecstasy. Mix some speed (meth) or caffeine with methylone or MDMA and you have ecstasy.

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore]
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Ecstasy is a slang name for MDMA. I don't know where you got the idea that "ecstasy" specifically refers to an arbitrary mixture.

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MDMA is a specific chemical compound that in it's purest forum, is unable to be pressed.


Very poorly written statement. Any pill is not pure drug, as there are other things that make up a pill. However, you stated that a pure substance cannot be pressed into a pill....


Also, no one is acknowledging that methamphetamine is a molecular part of the MDMA molecule. That can cause someone not knowledgeable about chemistry confusion.


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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: pkoomer] * 1
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Around where I live there has been a divergence between the terms "MDMA" and Ecstasy.  A lot of people think these are two different things.

A new generation of users has come up, and in their world the drug is not something which recently exploded on to the scene. They weren't around as this was happening, and so they have no idea about the molecule and its recent history. 

One response to the notorious impurity of pressed pills has been to distribute MDMA in its powder form, typically referred to as "pure MDMA." The illusion of purity is afforded by the consistent appearance of the product: a white or off-white semi-crystalline powder.  Pressed pills often have inconsistencies in colour or texture which are sometimes misinterpreted as impurities, rather than the sloppy press process they actually represent.  Since pressed pills have retained the nomenclature originally afforded to them, while this new powdered format has adopted new nomenclature, a misperception has arisen whereby two substances which are purported to be the same product are instead seen as two entirely different products.

Have no more illusions: a speckled looking pill may be pure or impure. Powdered MDMA may be pure or impure. The only way to detect impurities is to test the substance using a reagent. Testing kits can be purchased online.

MDMA is a modification of the methamphetamine (meth, crystal, ice) molecule.  The addition of a methylenedioxy group to the third and fourth positions of the hexane ring dramatically alters the affinity of the molecule for certain receptor sites. Where as methamphetamine acts primarily on dopamine and norepinephrine receptor sites, MDMA binds readily with the serotonin reuptake transporter (the same site involved in the mechanism of action of most modern antidepressants), causing the transporter to behave in the inverse. Instead of removing serotonin for the synapse as the transporter normally does, it instead dumps "stored" serotonin into the synapse in great abundance. This mechanism is responsible for the principle subjective effects of MDMA (Ecstasy).
 
Overuse can lead to all kinds of problems, not the least of which is serotonin depletion and the host of conditions which follow this circumstance. I would encourage you or anyone thinking of using MDMA to consult Erowid for a complete understanding of the drug before doing so.

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: s240779]
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240779 said:
Ecstasy is a slang name for MDMA. I don't know where you got the idea that "ecstasy" specifically refers to an arbitrary mixture.


Ecstasy refers to the pill form of MDMA (or MXE) which constitutes other adulterants to be used.

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MDMA is a specific chemical compound that in it's purest forum, is unable to be pressed.


Very poorly written statement. Any pill is not pure drug, as there are other things that make up a pill. However, you stated that a pure substance cannot be pressed into a pill....


Try reading that again, maybe a little slower this time so you can understand what is says.

I said MDMA isn't able to be pressed into a pill in it's purest form.

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Also, no one is acknowledging that methamphetamine is a molecular part of the MDMA molecule. That can cause someone not knowledgeable about chemistry confusion.


Then why are you bringing it up?

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore] * 2
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Ecstasy refers to the pill form of MDMA (or MXE) which constitutes other adulterants to be used.

wtf

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore] * 1
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>> Ecstasy refers to the pill form of MDMA (or MXE) which constitutes other adulterants to be used.

Whoa.  Full stop.

MXE is an arylcyclohexylamine, MDMA is an amphetamine.  These are two vastly different things.

The term "Ecstasy" originally refers to the molecule 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine.  This substance can be found in either pill form or powder form.  Both forms vary significantly in purity.


>> MDMA isn't able to be pressed into a pill in it's purest form.

This is an accurate but misleading statement.  As with any substance pressed into pill format, a variety of fillers, binder agents, and dyes are used to hold the pill together and change its colour.  Though it is vanishingly rare these days, pressed pills do exist which contain only Ecstasy (read: 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine) as an active constituent.


I'm going to say this one more time in bold:

The term "Ecstasy" originally refers to the molecule 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine.  This substance can be found in either pill form or powder form.  Both forms vary significantly in purity.

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore]
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SoreSpore said:
pkoomer said:
So there's meth in MDMA?


No.
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are MDMA and Ecstasy the same thing?


No.



Ecstasy is the slang term for MDMA, that's like heroin and diesel aren't the same thing.


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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: Ped]
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So all MDMA is purely ecstasy but not all ecstasy is purely MDMA?

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore]
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No. The two are synonyms in all contexts.

However, any substance on the street can be subjected to adulteration. Some more frequently than others, like heroin and MDMA.


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Northerner said:
I agree psilocybin is smokable though.

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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore]
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Ecstasy with methamphetamine is a meth bomb, not ecstasy.  Just cause people call it ecstasy doesn't mean it is, people call methylone/butylone/ethylone ecstasy, doesn't mean it is.  I would use a disclaimer with a methbomb though and say its MDMA and methamphetamine.


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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: SoreSpore] * 2
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MDMA and ecstasy aren't the same anywhere.


Almost everyone I know uses the terms interchangeably. The term "ecstasy" came to prominence during the 1980s when most pills consisted only of MDMA and a caking agent/filler. Maybe now some people use this to refer to the alleged "designer drug" consisting of cocktail pills, but that's not what the word initially meant, and many people still use it in the original usage. Anyway, this is a tremendous waste of our time.


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Re: MDMA/ecstasy vs Methamphetamines [Re: EllisDSox]
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Word.

I apologize for having acted so high and mighty on a very subjective topic; especially in relation to slang.

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