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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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reeferaddict69 said:
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and where does it list the right to consume drugs as one you're born with,
just because that's how you wish to interpret it doesnt mean that it's actual


I'd argue that as long as you're not hurting someone else you can do whatever you want with your body.  It's an inherent right that you're born with.  Laws can't take that away from you.  Nobody can argue that philosophically.



does the law stop you from smoking weed or shooting smack?

reeferaddict69 said:
No the gov't can't really stop you if you're doing it in private.  But if the gov't stops Kevorkian from helping one of his patients die than they're trampling on his rights as a physician to do what is best for his patient after they've talked it over.



um... no

kevorkian as a physician doesnt have the right to assist someone with suicide


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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If you want to live in America as a free person you either have to obey the laws put in place or break the laws when no person of authority is looking.  You have two choices, and only two choices, if you want to stay free.  If you don't like America's drug laws and think that people have the "right" to use drugs because they're born with that "right" then you either have to risk getting busted to get high, even in a private residence where cops could bust in at any time, and possibly defend yourself in court one day hoping that you will be able to talk your way out of drug charges (which you probably won't be able to if there's sufficient evidence you had drugs in your possession) or you have to move to a country that tolerates drugs.

And you might as well stop looking for supposed loopholes in amendments to defend your "rights" as a human being because the courts have never and probably will never pay attention to the supposed loopholes you point out to them, they will simply ask if you're breaking a law and if you are then you're guilty and they will sentence you.  It's that simple.  You can't talk your way out of evading laws by claiming that there are either loopholes in amendments or by saying that amendments don't matter.  People in authority will see things differently, and a jury of your peers who AREN'T drug users will not be on your side, as the judge will not be on your side.  You can argue all you want, you'll still lose and have to pay for breaking the law in the first place.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: HB]
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There is nothing morally wrong with it.  They are the same people as we are.  And the government CAN'T count on the military to suppress its own citizens.  Most of the people I know in the military hate the fucking government worse then the average citizen does. 

In fact military are BOUND by oath to resist against an oppressive government--an oppressive tyrannical government is a domestic enemy.  They are bound to uphold the constitution.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
reeferaddict69 said:
Quote:
and where does it list the right to consume drugs as one you're born with,
just because that's how you wish to interpret it doesnt mean that it's actual


I'd argue that as long as you're not hurting someone else you can do whatever you want with your body.  It's an inherent right that you're born with.  Laws can't take that away from you.  Nobody can argue that philosophically.



does the law stop you from smoking weed or shooting smack?

Quote:
No


reeferaddict69 said:
No the gov't can't really stop you if you're doing it in private.  But if the gov't stops Kevorkian from helping one of his patients die than they're trampling on his rights as a physician to do what is best for his patient after they've talked it over.



um... no

kevorkian as a physician doesnt have the right to assist someone with suicide


Kevorkian had every right to do what he did.  The patients were begging him to do it.  They were going through intolerable suffering and the only way out for them was to die.  Kevorkian offered them a peaceful and dignified end.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: HB]
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HB said:
If you want to live in America as a free person you either have to obey the laws put in place or break the laws when no person of authority is looking.  You have two choices, and only two choices, if you want to stay free.



you have 4 choices. the two you listed and youhave the right to redress
grievances with the government and the right or dismember and overthrow the
government. the latter being an absolute last resort and the former can be
done by voting. elect new leader that are sympathetic to your cause and
they'll work on getting the laws repealed, should they not do as you wish
then you vote them out of office. at the current time it wouldnt take much to
remove many that oppose repealing prohibition laws and replace them with
those in support. what's unfortunate is that the majority of young people
are opposed to voting, they feel it carries no weight yet they wouldnt know
because all they want to do is sit around, smoke a bit of weed and bitch
about how unfair things are


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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Kevorkian didn't have the "right" to do what he did according to the laws of our country, that's simply your own personal opinion and it won't stand up in court.  If a patient is suicidal, doctors are obligated by law to put them on a 72 hour psych hold, not help them kill themselves.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Fo real. I hate hearing people who don't vote bitch about politics. "My vote doesn't count"- there's one way you can make SURE of that- don't vote.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: HB]
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HB said:
Kevorkian didn't have the "right" to do what he did according to the laws of our country, that's simply your own personal opinion and it won't stand up in court.  If a patient is suicidal, doctors are obligated by law to put them on a 72 hour psych hold, not help them kill themselves.


The laws of our country are obsolete and need to be changed.  That's exactly why Kevorkian did what he did.  I'm aware that the laws say you need to prevent suicide at all costs though.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
HB said:
If you want to live in America as a free person you either have to obey the laws put in place or break the laws when no person of authority is looking.  You have two choices, and only two choices, if you want to stay free.



you have 4 choices. the two you listed and youhave the right to redress
grievances with the government and the right or dismember and overthrow the
government. the latter being an absolute last resort and the former can be
done by voting. elect new leader that are sympathetic to your cause and
they'll work on getting the laws repealed, should they not do as you wish
then you vote them out of office. at the current time it wouldnt take much to
remove many that oppose repealing prohibition laws and replace them with
those in support. what's unfortunate is that the majority of young people
are opposed to voting, they feel it carries no weight yet they wouldnt know
because all they want to do is sit around, smoke a bit of weed and bitch
about how unfair things are


I didn't consider the other option you mentioned because in my lifetime the only drug that you could vote for becoming legal is weed, not other "harder" drugs, and no presidential candidate that has been around in my lifetime has said they would repeal the drug laws entirely.  Only weed has been addressed.

And I didn't mention the latter option you mentioned about overthrowing the government because I don't see how one would go about "overthrowing" the government without having a majority of the American people on your side willing to overthrow the government, too.  And I don't find the government in America to be that bad.  It's not perfect, but I'd rather live here than any other country in the world, which is why I do.  I'd rather move to a different country before trying to start a massive movement to overthrow the government if I felt that the government in our country was completely out of line.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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reeferaddict69 said:
Kevorkian had every right to do what he did.  The patients were begging him to do it.  They were going through intolerable suffering and the only way out for them was to die.  Kevorkian offered them a peaceful and dignified end.


please show us within the law or the constitution where kevorkian had that right


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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reeferaddict69 said:
The laws of our country are obsolete and need to be changed.


If you feel that way you should go out and vote to change things.  If you can't currently vote for things like having the right to commit suicide or the right to have assisted suicide, go into office and introduce to people the right to vote on that issue.  If you do that, maybe enough other people will feel the same way as you can that law can be changed.

That's all you can really do if you want to take action on the issue.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
reeferaddict69 said:
Kevorkian had every right to do what he did.  The patients were begging him to do it.  They were going through intolerable suffering and the only way out for them was to die.  Kevorkian offered them a peaceful and dignified end.


please show us within the law or the constitution where kevorkian had that right


The 9th amendment.:ancientaliens: I dunno man.  I think ending your life on your own terms when you're suffering is a fundamental right that every American should have.  But yeah, it's not there in plain writing but who cares.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: HB]
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HB said:
reeferaddict69 said:
The laws of our country are obsolete and need to be changed.


If you feel that way you should go out and vote to change things.  If you can't currently vote for things like having the right to commit suicide or the right to have assisted suicide, go into office and introduce to people the right to vote on that issue.  If you do that, maybe enough other people will feel the same way as you can that law can be changed.

That's all you can really do if you want to take action on the issue.


You're right.  I'm not sure how far it would go in state like Georgia though.  I guess I could run for congress when I turn 25 but I have no qualifications.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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If there was a law allowing doctors to assist patients in suicide if they were (for example) terminally ill, you'd have to have something like a waiver that the patient signs so he can consent to being assisted with suicide so the doctor doesn't get sued later by grieving families, and the law would have to determine what kinds of illnesses to "treat" with assisted suicide.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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reeferaddict69 said:
Prisoner#1 said:
reeferaddict69 said:
Kevorkian had every right to do what he did.  The patients were begging him to do it.  They were going through intolerable suffering and the only way out for them was to die.  Kevorkian offered them a peaceful and dignified end.


please show us within the law or the constitution where kevorkian had that right


The 9th amendment.:ancientaliens: I dunno man.  I think ending your life on your own terms when you're suffering is a fundamental right that every American should have.  But yeah, it's not there in plain writing but who cares.



as has already been pointed out, that's not what the 9th amendment says


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: HB]
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HB said:
If there was a law allowing doctors to assist patients in suicide if they were (for example) terminally ill, you'd have to have something like a waiver that the patient signs so he can consent to being assisted with suicide so the doctor doesn't get sued later by grieving families, and the law would have to determine what kinds of illnesses to "treat" with assisted suicide.


There's already euthanasia laws in Oregon, Washington, and Montana.  But I think they are obsolete laws because the doctors can't take part in the process and if the patient is immobilized and can't swallow then they can't be helped.  I think the law needs to allow the doctors full reign of helping the patient without legal repercussions.  I think this should be taken care of on a case by case basis because everybody has different situations.


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
reeferaddict69 said:
Prisoner#1 said:
reeferaddict69 said:
Kevorkian had every right to do what he did.  The patients were begging him to do it.  They were going through intolerable suffering and the only way out for them was to die.  Kevorkian offered them a peaceful and dignified end.


please show us within the law or the constitution where kevorkian had that right


The 9th amendment.:ancientaliens: I dunno man.  I think ending your life on your own terms when you're suffering is a fundamental right that every American should have.  But yeah, it's not there in plain writing but who cares.



as has already been pointed out, that's not what the 9th amendment says


What does it say?


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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reeferaddict69 said:
HB said:
reeferaddict69 said:
The laws of our country are obsolete and need to be changed.


If you feel that way you should go out and vote to change things.  If you can't currently vote for things like having the right to commit suicide or the right to have assisted suicide, go into office and introduce to people the right to vote on that issue.  If you do that, maybe enough other people will feel the same way as you can that law can be changed.

That's all you can really do if you want to take action on the issue.


You're right.  I'm not sure how far it would go in state like Georgia though.  I guess I could run for congress when I turn 25 but I have no qualifications.


it would probably go much further than you think, in 1980 we were the first
state in the US to pass a medical marijuana law and had the state supplying
the weed to the patients free of charge, unfortunately the state legislature
defunded it because of the recession the US was in and it was never picked
back up


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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
reeferaddict69 said:
HB said:
reeferaddict69 said:
The laws of our country are obsolete and need to be changed.


If you feel that way you should go out and vote to change things.  If you can't currently vote for things like having the right to commit suicide or the right to have assisted suicide, go into office and introduce to people the right to vote on that issue.  If you do that, maybe enough other people will feel the same way as you can that law can be changed.

That's all you can really do if you want to take action on the issue.


You're right.  I'm not sure how far it would go in state like Georgia though.  I guess I could run for congress when I turn 25 but I have no qualifications.


it would probably go much further than you think, in 1980 we were the first
state in the US to pass a medical marijuana law and had the state supplying
the weed to the patients free of charge, unfortunately the state legislature
defunded it because of the recession the US was in and it was never picked
back up


I heard of that the other day.  It was actually Newt Gingrich who introduced that law haha.



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Re: Is joining the Air Force a moral thing to do? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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and people are always thinking the republicans are the bad guy


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