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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: quinn]
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everything is absurd


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Icelander] * 1
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does that mean that not being absurd is absurd?  :fatfear:


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: blingbling]
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I guess.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
everything is absurd



I use to hold this view point, but then I realized that saying everything is absurd is a meaningless statement. Something needs a context in order for it to be absurd. A clown at a wedding is absurd because it doesn't fit the context. Saying the Universe is absurd because it exists doesn't really make sense. We don't know whether it should or should not exist, so we have no context to put the universe into to, as it is the only thing that does exist. For something to be absurd, it would need an opposite of something that is rational and makes sense. I'd say the Universe is neither absurd nor rational. Saying that 'everything is absurd' is just as silly as saying 'everything is love'. It becomes meaningless. Might as well say 'everything is broccoli'. :shrug:

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: White Beard]
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:thumbup:

down with everything is!!

everything is in your mind.
everything is love.
everything is god.
everything is fucked.

:yawn:


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dripping with fantasy

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: White Beard]
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White Beard said:
A clown at a wedding is absurd because it doesn't fit the context.



And here I was thinking that you'd have to be a real clown to get married.


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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
If everything is absurd how can there be bigger fish to fry?





That is a matter of perspective.  If you don't find meaning in bringing people to the absurd side then i don't suppose there are any fish there at all.

I meant 'bigger' in the sense that when which food is eaten is likely a minor matter in many minds.  Even those who hold fast to such ideals could probably be convinced that there is little reason for doing so aside from their own habits and appetite and would happily indulge in waffles for dinner.  Starve them for a day to guarantee compliance.

Exposing the absurdity of the bigger beliefs (landing the bigger fish) would represent a more significant upheaval.  My (limited) understanding of absurdism is that it this position denies that humans can understand any inherent meaning in the universe, and approaching that realization would require something more inner than dinner-doubt. 

I suppose exposing the absurdity of one silly belief which has been taken for granted could be the tear in the veil needed to make a run for the rest.

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: DisoRDeR]
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I don't seek to convince anyone but myself.  I may do that job via debate with others however.  Very few see the world as absurd when young.  The cultural belief programs are running strong without much cognitive dissonance usually until later in life.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Icelander]
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What is absurd?

Also, Chewbacca is a wookie. Wookies live on Kasheek. Chewbacca lives on Endor. Now think about it... that DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this thread? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this thread! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm on a philosophy forum, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in here deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

Edited by xFrockx (06/21/12 10:59 AM)

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: xFrockx]
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The prosecution also rests as I think you just made my case. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Icelander]
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Yeah, neither do I, which is why I rarely prod a person's most cherished beliefs unless directly engaged on that level.  I do encourage those who are curious to travel though, as this can be a quick route to realizing the diversity of human programming.


And for those inquiring about the absurdist philosophical position, here is a start...

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The meaning of life

According to absurdism, humans historically attempt to find meaning in their lives. Traditionally, this search results in one of two conclusions: either that life is meaningless, or life contains within it a purpose set forth by a higher power - a belief in God, or adherence to some religion or other abstract concept.

Elusion
Camus perceives filling the void with some invented belief or meaning as a mere "act of eluding"—that is, avoiding or escaping rather than acknowledging and embracing the Absurd. To Camus, elusion is a fundamental flaw in religion, existentialism (Atheist existentialism however does not include "Elusion"), and various other schools of thought. If the individual eludes the Absurd, then he or she can never confront it.

God
Even with a spiritual power as the answer to meaning, another question arises: What is the purpose of God? Kierkegaard believed that there is no human-comprehensible purpose of God, making faith in God absurd itself. Camus on the other hand states that to believe in God is to "deny one of the terms of the contradiction" between humanity and the universe (and therefore not absurd), but is what he calls "philosophical suicide". Camus (as well as Kierkegaard), though, suggests that while absurdity does not lead to belief in God, neither does it lead to the denial of God. Camus notes, "I did not say 'excludes God', which would still amount to asserting".[16]

Personal meaning
For Camus, it is the beauty which people encounter in life that makes it worth living. People may create meaning in their own lives, which may not be the objective meaning of life (if there is one), but can still provide something for which to strive. However, he insisted that one must always maintain an ironic distance between this invented meaning and the knowledge of the absurd, lest the fictitious meaning take the place of the absurd.

Freedom
Freedom cannot be achieved beyond what the absurdity of existence permits; however, the closest one can come to being absolutely free is through acceptance of the Absurd. Camus introduced the idea of "acceptance without resignation" as a way of dealing with the recognition of absurdity, asking whether or not man can "live without appeal", while defining a "conscious revolt" against the avoidance of absurdity of the world. In a world devoid of higher meaning or judicial afterlife, the human being becomes as close to absolutely free as is humanly possible.

Hope
The rejection of hope, in absurdism, denotes the refusal to believe in anything more than what this absurd life provides. Hope, Camus emphasizes, however, has nothing to do with despair (meaning that the two terms are not opposites). One can still live fully while rejecting hope, and, in fact, can only do so without hope. Hope is perceived by the absurdist as another fraudulent method of evading the Absurd, and by not having hope, one will be motivated to live every fleeting moment to the fullest.

Integrity
The absurdist is not guided by morality, but rather, by his or her own integrity. The absurdist is, in fact, amoral (though not necessarily immoral). Morality implies an unwavering sense of definite right and wrong at all times, while integrity implies honesty with one's self and consistency in the motivations of one's actions and decisions.



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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
everything is absurd



I've walked through the last couple days completely out of it. As in, where and the heck am I and how did I get here? Dream haze yo.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: DisoRDeR]
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Integrity
The absurdist is not guided by morality, but rather, by his or her own integrity. The absurdist is, in fact, amoral (though not necessarily immoral). Morality implies an unwavering sense of definite right and wrong at all times, while integrity implies honesty with one's self and consistency in the motivations of one's actions and decisions.


bingooooooooooooooooo!


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Icelander said:
everything is absurd



I've walked through the last couple days completely out of it. As in, where and the heck am I and how did I get here? Dream haze yo.




I've lived the last several years in this fashion.  No answers, no hope, just life to be lived. :satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Icelander]
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I think I am stuck in the same perpetuation. But it was very palpable the last few days. The girlfriend asked to go for a walk, I said sure. We walked. And the whole time I couldn't get over how unreal it seemed and how completely lost in the unknown I felt.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Kickle]
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If one can get over their self-importance, even for a little while, like seems just like you describe. :thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Kickle]
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didn't you just leave a job that you worked at for years?

I find transition periods very surreal.

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Icelander]
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My only hope is in the chance of experiencing more visceral pleasure.

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Re: Is it a serious issue [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Icelander said:
everything is absurd



I've walked through the last couple days completely out of it. As in, where and the heck am I and how did I get here? Dream haze yo.




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