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Re: Don't get all P.O.ed about "Elm Oysters" [Re: jimmyjame1]
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jimmyjame1 said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15341363

look what i had to do to get a TE look at these picture of my oysters. LOL


LOL
I think we can safely change his diagnosis to H. ulmarius, as you found large fruitbodies, not appearing in big groups. 

Carsten

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
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Terry M said:
Trout, thank you for your generous offer, but it appears that I'll shortly be owning my own classic Zeiss trinocular microscope, with 100x oil immersion objective. I'm giving myself a crash course in mushrooom microscopy by studying Largent et al.'s "How to Identify Mushrooms to Genus III: Microscopic Features." When I'm all set up and have some spores, I'll be posting lots of pictures!

BTW, I checked on ordering DAOM #189249 from Carolyn Babcock, curator at the CCFC. I was put off by "Please note that requests from outside Canada may require an Import Permit. I will require a full mailing address of your research organization."

I am in the US. It is $75 from them, which I am happy to pay. But I don't want to deal with any Import Permit paperwork. As for my "research organization," I have successfully used my wife's college, where she is a professor, to order from the Fungal Genetics Stock Center. I just omitted her academic department, which is Art and Art History. :grin:


Wow, that is good news. Perhaps a canadian member might help avoiding import trouble?

Carsten

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Mycelio]
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Spore size and shape notwithstanding, I will attest that H ulmarius and P ostreatus spores both make me sick as hell.  I have no other allergies to any other mushroom spores at all, but can't grow any more mushrooms in the 'oyster family', no matter what.  It only takes a few seconds of exposure to either species(genera if it's still open to debate) to get a high fever, cough, sore throat, headache from hell, etc.

That said, I still like P ostreatus as a meal, especially with Italian food such as pizza and spaghetti, but elm oysters suck.  The taste and texture just isn't the same. :puke:
RR

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Re: Don't get all P.O.ed about "Elm Oysters" [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
Jef said:
While escaping out a basement window, from my confinement as a sex slave


Jef said:
But, tired of me, my old flame had locked the window and quietly left the house.


Obviously, she's in the market for a new sex slave. She may feel free to PM me. :laugh:
RR


If I remember rightly,  Mrs. Rabbit is Eastern European.  I'm sure the poison would kill you before your first orgasm.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
Spore size and shape notwithstanding, I will attest that H ulmarius and P ostreatus spores both make me sick as hell.  I have no other allergies to any other mushroom spores at all, but can't grow any more mushrooms in the 'oyster family', no matter what.  It only takes a few seconds of exposure to either species(genera if it's still open to debate) to get a high fever, cough, sore throat, headache from hell, etc.

That said, I still like P ostreatus as a meal, especially with Italian food such as pizza and spaghetti, but elm oysters suck.  The taste and texture just isn't the same. :puke:
RR


This sounds like you developed an allergic reaction against proteines  on the surface of the spores of Pleurotus ostreatus and closely related species. If you had two separate allergies (one against P. ostreatus and the other against H. ulmarius (assuming the commonly cultivated H.u. would really be H.u.), H. tessulatus should also affect you, which seems not to be the case.

I'm glad you can still eat oysters cooked!

Carsten

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Mycelio]
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That's kind of what I was thinking, Carsten. RR's immune system may be better at Pleurotus taxonomy than all the mycologists in the world!


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
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i think its time that RR takes some Reishi. i hear it helps with allergies and other immune system issues.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: jimmyjame1]
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LOL

RR's allergy is the proof we need that we have very cool strain of Pleurotus not H.u.  Seriously I agree.  It is just funny!

Trout


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Well things don't always look as they are and things can be misread and mistaken for what they realy are so don't read too much into what I say since I might be mistaken myself. And remember I rarely ever give a definate answer.

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: trout]
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I'm still fascinated by the obvious fact that our immune system is able to target molecules, which are special for the P. ostreatus complex and keep being cool about all other spores.

Reishi vs. allergies may be the next myth we should look into...

Carsten

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Mycelio]
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Reishi vs. allergies may be the next myth we should look into...


Myth is correct.  I consume reishi daily.

I have no allergies of any kind other than the oyster complex of mushroom spores as I refer to them. 

On second thought, truth be known, there actually is this problem with one of my ex-wives. . . :facepalm:
RR


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: RogerRabbit]
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do you notice any effects from it?


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: jimmyjame1]
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If you take it long enough your tits sag, and your hair goes gray.  :goat:

Worked for me!


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Jef]
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Hey,

Check out Ralphsters H. ulmaris page:

http://www.ralphstersspores.com/USA/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=365

Isn't this the same not-H.u. that I started this thread to display?

I would really like an Elm Oyster that is actually an Elm Oyster.

Take care,

JD


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
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i have a beautiful large spore print that i took from a wild elm oyster.

i imagine you have the ability to clean it up on agar and grow it.

the print is yours if you want it.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: jimmyjame1]
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:pm:'ed


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
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Ralph sent me two cultures. I'm inoculating plates from them tomorrow. I've got a Mushroom Patch strain I bought a while ago of nominally H. ulmarius growing nicely in a fruiting bag, side by side with H. tessulatus for comparison. Aloha strain B will be going from grain jar to sawdust/wood chip bag tomorrow. Aloha strain A is lagging behind a bit. Tomorrow I also start growing out a plate of "Official Generic Shroomery" H. ulmarius, which EvilMushroom kindly supplied.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
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Did you see the photo on Ralphsters of the H ulmaris they are selling?

Did it not look like the "Official Generic Shroomery" that I posted
to start this thread?

Interesting.

I look forward to your results.

JD


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
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A simple test I can do right away is seeing which strain pairs are genetically compatible on agar. Is their a buffer zone between two growing strains, or do they intermix?

Maybe I will start this tomorrow. I currently have 4 strains in agar culture, so a pairwise combination of all of them would be 4x3=12 comparisons. Heck, I use 3 section plates, so this would only require 4 plates!


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
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:thumbup:


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Please assume any and all prints exchanged are "WILD" in nature; and thus, should NOT be considered ASEPTIC...

NOTE:  Please excuse my brevity, as it is a bitch 'n' a half and slow as hell to type on this here phone :frown:

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: HorizonSpawn]
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I've got some early results of my genetic compatibility test. I just used Aloha A, not B, to keep down the number of combinations. I'm also doing Aloha A against B to make sure they are compatible.

The cultures being tested are:

Shroomery generic -- kindly suppled by EvilMushroom666
Ralph plate (syringe also supplied which is still growing out)
The Mushroom Patch -- I had this culture already
Aloha A

First of all, this test is taking a while because Aloha strains are slower growers on agar than the rest, which are pretty fast. This is a tip-off already. The agar plates (MEA) were inoculated on 11/18, making them now 5 days old.

I can definitely conclude that the Shroomery generic, kindly supplied by EvilMushroom666, is not genetically compatible with Aloha A, and therefore not the same species. A very clear "zone of aversion" appeared between the two cultures, over which neither mycelia crossed.

The other species tested with Aloha A have not produced clear results yet. The cultures haven't "met" yet. However most of the other cultures have, and and the mycelia mixed without any zone of aversion.

The lack of a zone of aversion does not prove they are the same species. To test for this (I'm reasonably sure*) one must observe the hyphae of the two mixed mycelia and see if there are clamp connections between them. I just got a microscope, and tried this. They cannot, of course, be observer from the top in a closed plate because the petri dish top prevents the objectives from getting close enough. So I tried the bottom, through the agar. But again, couldn't get it close enough to focus on the agar to surface where the mycelia are.

When this part of the experiment is over, I can take the petri dish covers off and look for clamp connections.


*Anderson, N. A., Wang, S. S., and Schwandt, J.W., "The Pleurotus ostreatus-sapidus Species Complex," Mycologia, Vol. 65, No. 1 (Jan. - Feb., 1973), pp. 28-35.


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Edited by Terry M (11/23/11 06:22 AM)

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