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Re: Hypsizygus ulmarius [Re: Terry M]
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Good work Terry!

And good to see an independent confirmation of the spore shape!

Carsten

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Mycelio]
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Mycelio said:
Crossing my legs for that one, though if it does well on straw and perhaps grows fast, your chances aren't too great. 



Well it sure has been fast on straw, grain and agar. Fastest culture I have worked with - actually from a commercial POV I am hoping it is the nice tasting one Stamets grew...!

Anyway, first pasteurised straw log has pins on (18 days incubation - too long I think as producing lots of metabolites) and 4 days in the FC so I guess we will see soon enough. I have a bunch of others at verious spawn rates/lime pasteurised all colonised like crazy - lime seems faster than heat but only fruiting will tell.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: solarity]
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I've got cobweb mold on the top surface of H. ulmarius Aloha B. Never happened to me before. Should I try to save it by opening the top of the bag under sterile conditions, spray it well with hydrogen peroxide, and immediately reseal the bag?

In any case, I'll start over with another Aloha B grain jar on Tuesday.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
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Terry M said:
I've got cobweb mold on the top surface of H. ulmarius Aloha B. Never happened to me before. Should I try to save it by opening the top of the bag under sterile conditions, spray it well with hydrogen peroxide, and immediately reseal the bag?

In any case, I'll start over with another Aloha B grain jar on Tuesday.



IMHO That culture is doomed for the trash, I would advise immediate removal, in my experience trying to save such efforts only leads to re-infection, I had a bout of the lipstick mold this summer that did not go away until I did a serious clean and restarted everything from slants.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: mycoelf]
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mycoelf said:
IMHO That culture is doomed for the trash, I would advise immediate removal, in my experience trying to save such efforts only leads to re-infection.


You are right. I forgot about this possibility.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: solarity]
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... But take a look at how well Aloha Elm A does on pasteurised straw:
http://www.alohaecowas.com/diversified-agriculture-part1.html


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: solarity]
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I think they don't offer all their strains, so 'ELM 1' may be something completely different than 'Elm A'. Or it is the 'EL' strain from here:
http://www.alohamedicinals.com/cultures.htm
We will know soon.

Carsten

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Mycelio]
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Good point, they refer to it as "Hypsizygous (sic) ulmarium ELM 1 strain" ... not Elm A


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: solarity]
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I didn't expect that trying to solve one riddle would lead to so many new ones. This is worse than quantum physics...

@Terry
In case you didn't dispose of your H.u.B bag... I would open it outside, remove the mold spot and cover with less than an inch of garden soil or spent potting soil. The microbes and critters in there usually attack mold species first. You've got nothing to loose.

Carsten

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Mycelio]
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Mycelio said:
@Terry
In case you didn't dispose of your H.u.B bag... I would open it outside, remove the mold spot and cover with less than an inch of garden soil or spent potting soil. The microbes and critters in there usually attack mold species first. You've got nothing to loose.



Earlier this morning, I dug the bag out of the trash. It's certainly safe indoors as long as I don't open it. The cobweb mold had been squashed down to the point of invisibility. I want to see what this will do, so its in quarantine, in a different room than any mushroom grow area.

If the cobweb mold reappears, I'll do like you suggest and open it outside. But I will spray with H2O2, which is known to selectively kill cobweb mold, while leaving mushroom mycelium untouched.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: solarity]
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solarity said:
Well it sure has been fast on straw, grain and agar. Fastest culture I have worked with - actually from a commercial POV I am hoping it is the nice tasting one Stamets grew...!



Likely to be an oyster. My Aloha H. ulmarius are growing leisurely, while the other strains are, well, growing like oysters! But from a commercial point of view, this doesn't matter.

It'd be nice to know what species of Pleurotus we are finding. As far as I looked, there is no complete monograph on the genus.  Of course, years ago this was a huge, catch-all "genus" for a whole lot of species that have since been correctly classified. I don't think the genus Hypsizygus existed until 1947, when Singer defined and named it.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
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Ok so mine have decurrent gills and look like a white/beige Pleurotus. Nothing like H. Tess.  So either

a) I dont have the AM strain
or
b) the AM strain is the Pleurotus Ulmarius that everyone has.

One thing I have noticed is that it colonises very fast ... but then wants to sit around for a bit before it fruits. So a new grey oyster strain I have going at the same time was second into fruiting conditions but first to fruit. This is similar with my experience of H. Tess that it fruits about 20-30 days after full colonisation. I am also getting a lot of metabolites produced during colonisation.


Have to say that what ever it is, it does taste good!



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Edited by solarity (12/08/11 10:57 AM)

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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: solarity]
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any other updates?

im curious to see some of the other agar work


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: jimmyjame1]
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Hey JJ,

I think that I will have to do a hot pour to get the H.t. that you
sent me clean on agar.  I did what I hoped was a clean xfer from the
initial dish, but that appears to have carried the bacteria with it.

I will post results, here, when possible,

Take care,

JD


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
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sounds good

what does pouring hot agar do to kill bacteria?


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: jimmyjame1]
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It may kill some bacteria immediately, but it really depends on the
fungus's ability to reach through the new agar layer to the new surface
faster that the bacteria can follow.

I make a xfer to a new dish as soon as the fungus break the new surface.

JD


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
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intresting!


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: jimmyjame1]
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OK, this is highly embarrassing, but I have a slant of H. ulmarius I cannot account for. ::crazy:  :confused:



This morning, I cataloged every slant in the fridge. And this was leftover! I thought I was being very careful organizing all the cultures for the Elm Oyster project. But here this is, with no identification of origin. I know I didn't make this slant because it is not the size tube I use, and the writing is not mine. The date, Nov 23, 2010 is strangely old. Maybe I got this last year, way before the current project, and failed to label it?

If anybody recognizes this slant, please let me know!


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
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Terry:

That was the Shroomery ELM that I sent you as the control for what is
going around the site.


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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: EvilMushroom666]
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EvilMushroom666 said:
Terry:

That was the Shroomery ELM that I sent you as the control for what is
going around the site.


Thank you so much, EM! I was going to grow it out tomorrow, but now I can remove it from tomorrow's list. I've already got plenty of culture from it.

Going to label it this minute! :laugh:


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