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You're not cool or free-thinking * 2
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I'm going to play the cynical asshole for a bit (what's new), and say that the portion of our character makeup that isn't inherited through genetics is wholly formed through a myriad of environmental influences. We all know it as the nature/nurture gang bang. But what I'm suggesting is that our assumptions about individual identity and personal autonomy are a cultural relish. You're "free" ability to choose a religion, for instance, was already chosen for you in the form of a permissible society. The fact you were given a choice, paradoxically, means you didn't get to choose. So, ironically, we believe that our sense of style and peculiarities are self chosen within a system: but I think it may be the case that it's just a fabricated collage of the elements we inherited within our own social system.



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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Rivers and Roads]
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ya i kno

nd stuff


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"Ur cat died because he hated u" - Koods
"I hope JSB kicks your ass one day." - Vandago
"you are the biggest 'internet guy' I have ever come across"- Jokeshopbeard
"The more I see you post the more I realize you're just this fuckin tie dye loser who trolls the Shroomery 24/7." - Herbologist
"Sheekle you cannot vile the dice of bullshit you have posted on this forum over the years, I like databases" - thelastoneleft
"or maybe i just come from a blood line of superior intelligence" - trees

R.I.P Kelsy, ?/?/?? - 6/11/16

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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Sheekle] * 2
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I don't know man, but I'm gonna say, "duh".  This isn't cynical, it's just obvious.


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trip·ping (trpng)
verb.
                                                                  1. to be a sensible man, embodied by a fool, and presently at peace

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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: 0rusnjos] * 1
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0rusnjos said:
I don't know man, but I'm gonna say, "duh".  This isn't cynical, it's just obvious.


i was gonna say duh too


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"Ur cat died because he hated u" - Koods
"I hope JSB kicks your ass one day." - Vandago
"you are the biggest 'internet guy' I have ever come across"- Jokeshopbeard
"The more I see you post the more I realize you're just this fuckin tie dye loser who trolls the Shroomery 24/7." - Herbologist
"Sheekle you cannot vile the dice of bullshit you have posted on this forum over the years, I like databases" - thelastoneleft
"or maybe i just come from a blood line of superior intelligence" - trees

R.I.P Kelsy, ?/?/?? - 6/11/16

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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Sheekle]
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Me 3!


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Rivers and Roads] * 4
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Rivers and Roads said:
You're "free" ability to choose a religion,


opposite of this :andyistic:


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Rivers and Roads] * 2
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Rivers and Roads said:
I'm going to play the cynical asshole for a bit (what's new), and say that the portion of our character makeup that isn't inherited through genetics is wholly formed through a myriad of environmental influences. We all know it as the nature/nurture gang bang. But what I'm suggesting is that our assumptions about individual identity and personal autonomy are a cultural relish. You're "free" ability to choose a religion, for instance, was already chosen for you in the form of a permissible society. The fact you were given a choice, paradoxically, means you didn't get to choose. So, ironically, we believe that our sense of style and peculiarities are self chosen within a system: but I think it may be the case that it's just a fabricated collage of the elements we inherited within our own social system.



Well, of course effects happen because of causes. Is this mechanics 101?


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Rivers and Roads] * 2
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Rivers and Roads said:
The fact you were given a choice, paradoxically, means you didn't get to choose.

Yeah, we didn't choose to be born, nor did we get to choose which culture we were born into.


What else is new? :goodmorning:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Poid] * 2
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What he's saying, I think, is that a lot of the Shroomery is made of people who think they are cool free-thinkers by choice (by having an individual identity and personal autonomy), when in fact they are not the way they are because they choose to be, but because of their environment and genetics. It may be that shroomerites are cooler and more free-thinking than the rest of the public (though many times I've :facepalm:'d @ some of the posts), but we are only on this site and think the way we do and all because of those two factors.

I think this thread is full of defensive reactions that spawned as a result of people feeling a little less cool or free-thinking than they thought "they" were :wink:


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: mikeisapro]
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mikeisapro said:
I think this thread is full of defensive reactions that spawned as a result of feeling a little less cool or free-thinking than they thought "they" were :wink:



Welcome to the pub. Where everyone is right and revolutionary.


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: withoutawire]
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Yet another defensive reaction. Goin with the flow. Cool man.


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Life without drugs lacks substance(s).

Edited by mikeisapro (11/15/11 11:11 PM)

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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: mikeisapro]
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I'd call my remark sarcastic, not really defensive. It surprises me that you don't already realize that's exactly what this place is.


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: withoutawire]
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Sarcasm is cool.

I don't think the shroomery or even the pub is inherently sarcastic though.


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Life without drugs lacks substance(s).

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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: mikeisapro] * 2
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:tigerbunny:


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Rivers and Roads]
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Rivers and Roads said:
I'm going to play the cynical asshole for a bit (what's new), and say that the portion of our character makeup that isn't inherited through genetics is wholly formed through a myriad of environmental influences. We all know it as the nature/nurture gang bang. But what I'm suggesting is that our assumptions about individual identity and personal autonomy are a cultural relish. You're "free" ability to choose a religion, for instance, was already chosen for you in the form of a permissible society. The fact you were given a choice, paradoxically, means you didn't get to choose. So, ironically, we believe that our sense of style and peculiarities are self chosen within a system: but I think it may be the case that it's just a fabricated collage of the elements we inherited within our own social system.




+1.


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You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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you guys are like the smartest people ive ever known!!!

I agree w you!

Ironicaly agreeing with you kind of says Im free thinking...its a big loop...anyway WOOHOOO


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: mikeisapro] * 1
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Rivers and Roads said:






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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
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:ilold:


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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: mikeisapro]
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mikeisapro said:
:ilold:



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Re: You're not cool or free-thinking [Re: mikeisapro]
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Nice visual interpretation, Mr. Samuel L. Jackson. :lol:


mikeisapro said:
What he's saying, I think, is that a lot of the Shroomery is made of people who think they are cool free-thinkers by choice (by having an individual identity and personal autonomy), when in fact they are not the way they are because they choose to be, but because of their environment and genetics. It may be that shroomerites are cooler and more free-thinking than the rest of the public (though many times I've :facepalm:'d @ some of the posts), but we are only on this site and think the way we do and all because of those two factors.

I think this thread is full of defensive reactions that spawned as a result of people feeling a little less cool or free-thinking than they thought "they" were :wink:


Basically this. My main point is that "progressive" ideologies are still cultural artifacts. Even our Discovery Channel-Margaret Mead-Indiana Jones perspective on different walks of life is itself another viewpoint. The catch is that our opinions feel wholly thought out and deliberately chosen; after all, "the logic/evidence adds up to ______, so of course it makes sense." But we're not responsible for any of the components that form our own cognitive vehicle. It was assembled by a mind that is in the habit of assembly.

I think perhaps the confounding variable is change, and trying to explain where it comes from (Scroll: McKenna's novelty, et al). If we're only a shifting interaction of nature/nurture, then how do new ideas and viewpoints come to be?

This a big debate in intellectual copyright laws, and a few books have sprung from it. One that comes to mind is the "Quest for Authenticity." To my mind, no such thing exists.


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