BaSSidio Head said:

Psybe said:

The choice should be personal, like putting substances in your body.

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I see what you are saying but it is just fucking stupid. Even if you got in a wreck and you were the only one that died because you didn't wear a seatbelt, you just put that strain and grief on your family and friends because you were selfish enough to take a stupid, unbeneficial risk.

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Psybe said:

BaSSidio Head said:

Psybe said:

The choice should be personal, like putting substances in your body.

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I see what you are saying but it is just fucking stupid. Even if you got in a wreck and you were the only one that died because you didn't wear a seatbelt, you just put that strain and grief on your family and friends because you were selfish enough to take a stupid, unbeneficial risk.

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I agree and feel what you're saying, but you could say the same thing about a drug overdose. Is that going to stop you from dosing?

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Uzziel said:

Yeah but you have control on how much you dose. You don't have control on other drivers.

I mean really... the argument you are making relating to drugs is pathetic at best

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koraks said:

Btw, it's also interesting to see that not only the arguments are invariably the same, but also the fact that the seatbelt thing always turns into a heated debate with mud being thrown in all directions.

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Uzziel said:

If ya gotta brain, use it or lose it expel it through the windscreen

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koraks said:

Uzziel said:

If ya gotta brain, use it or lose it expel it through the windscreen

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Uzziel said:

I've personally seen someone fly over 20 feet out of the front window. They went to my highschool too. One of them died and the other broke their back and a few other bones and had lots of road rash but they aren't paralyzed lucky for them and they recovered by the time highschool was over for me.

Anyone who says it should be a personal choice should just play Russian roulette. It's the same thing, shit happens.

It's gonna be a sad day for your parents though when the police have to explain you died because you didn't wear a seat belt.

Not saying it happens often but its completely preventable.... whats a little discomfort compared to losing your life or breaking tons of bones?

I'm sorry but if you don't wear a seatbelt you are REALLY fucking stupid

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Uzziel said:

I've personally seen someone fly over 20 feet out of the front window.

It's gonna be a sad day for your parents though when the police have to explain you died because you didn't wear a seat belt.

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there has been over a 10% DECREASE in traffic deaths among those who were not wearing their seatbelts. Whereas, among those who were wearing their seatbelts in compliance with ''the law'', deaths have RISEN.

Restrained (wearing seat belt)

2002 deaths: 12,719
2006 deaths: 12,874

Unrestrained (not wearing seat belt)

2002 deaths: 18,269
2006 deaths: 16,037

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shivas.wisdom said:

Here is his core stat:

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there has been over a 10% DECREASE in traffic deaths among those who were not wearing their seatbelts.Whereas, among those who were wearing their seatbelts in compliance with ''the law'', deaths have RISEN.

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Quote:

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Restrained (wearing seat belt)

2002 deaths: 12,719
2006 deaths: 12,874

Unrestrained (not wearing seat belt)

2002 deaths: 18,269
2006 deaths: 16,037

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Could the decrease in unrestrained deaths perhaps (maybe, possibly, going out on a limb here) be explained from a decline in people moronic enough to not wear a fucking seat belt when it's really no trouble at all? I mean, according to Darwin, they'll go extinct anyway

Prisoner#1 said:

Uzziel said:

I've personally seen someone fly over 20 feet out of the front window.

It's gonna be a sad day for your parents though when the police have to explain you died because you didn't wear a seat belt.

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and what about the people that die while wearing the seatbelt, I lost a good
friend to a seatbelt, he'd fallen asleep at the wheel, ran off the road and
hit a tree, car caught fire and his seatbelt was stuck in a postition he
couldnt reach it, the seat slammed forward and he couldt get his hand behind
the seat to release it and he didnt carry a knife. he burned alive.

while the NHTSA claims seat belts save lives there's evidence that those
seatbelts also promote bad driving habits which negates the use, since a
far lower number of traffic fatalities involve roll overs and with the
increase in the use of and numbers of airbags in vehicles it skews the
reported results, between airbags and restraints there should be almost no
traffic fatalities and yet we still have 40,000 per year. in lower speed
collisions there's more serious injury as a result of the seatbelts and
airbags... in fact there's a survey that shows fatalities involving
seatbelts have risen because of the bad driving habits while those not
wearing seatbelts are reduced

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Government-Survey-Reveals--by-Martin-Hill-080608-450.html

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I honestly don't know what to tell you or how to even solve the problem. I've seen first hand two people fly out of a front window going at 50 mph.. I feel a lot more safe with a seatbelt on. I do realize there are serious injuries due to the safety measures though.

I'll take my chances...