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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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I went to a "Creationist Museum" in Kentucky once. Their idea of a world without God consists of back alleys that have graffiti on them and a couple of goth kids playing video games while they talk about hot chicks.

There was also a really trippy I-max type presentation - it had pretty much nothing to do with God or creationism until the last minute or so. The rest simply showed how big the universe was and the sizes of various stars/planets relative to Earth; it wasn't that bad, actually.


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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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abf5000 said:
Where is the recorded history before 4,000 B.C. huh? I don't see any of it.




btw this is the textbook definition of a troll boys and girls


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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: Poid]
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No, the burden of proof is on you because there is no history prior to that date, and you are claiming the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Without any prior recorded history, there is no reason to believe the earth is any older than than 6,000 years old. You're the one who fails at logic. Oh well, don't say people didn't warn you, when you die, you'll find out the truth. 

Edited by abf5000 (08/15/11 05:30 PM)

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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OP, what is your opinion on the scientific validity of carbon dating?


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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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abf5000 said:
No, the burden of proof is on you because there is no history prior to that date, and you are claiming the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Without any prior recorded history, there is no reason to believe the earth is any older than than 6,000 years old. You're the one who fails at logic. Oh well, don't say people didn't warn you, when you die, you'll find out the truth. 


:yawn:


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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is God able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is God neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"


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Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.
T. S. Eliot

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Carbon dating can be seriously messed up if the sample was exposed to water. I recall a test when scientists carbon dated a seal that had died days prior to be over 1,500 years old. There are flaws. Let's say the earth is definitely 4.5 billion years old and evolution occurred, it still doesn't disprove Christianity anyway. 

Edited by abf5000 (08/15/11 05:42 PM)

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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abf5000 said:
You still have time to accept Jesus and repent of your sins.

Jesus was just a character in an ancient book, it's highly likely that he never factually existed..what do you mean by "accept Jesus"? How can I accept a fictional character? :confused:
I don't care what other people consider to be "sinful"..I make my own rules, I'm not a sheep. :sheepie:


abf5000 said:
You still have time to deny the evolution hoax and accept the truth of the earth being 6,000 years old.

What evolution hoax? Everything evolves.

Just because you say it's true that the earth is 6,000 years old doesn't mean it's true..please substantiate that, I'm not gonna take your word for it. Especially since you're an irrational religious person.


abf5000 said:
There is no proof of an old earth(Radiocarbon dating is inaccurate and flawed)

Are you a scientist? What do you base your belief that carbon-dating is inaccurate/flawed on? Is this just another thing you have faith in, or do you actually have a logical reason for believing it?


abf5000 said:
Evolution is impossible, look at how complex the universe is, it was designed.

Evolution is not impossible..there is no physical law which prevents evolution from occurring. Just because the universe is complex doesn't necessarily mean it was designed.

You make a lot of wacky conclusions based on hardly suggestive evidence..you don't seem to understand logic, but I'm not surprised at all because you are a religious person. Irrationality is your kind's MO.


abf5000 said:
Evolution is a lie, and Charles Darwin recanted his beliefs on evolution on his deathbed, even he knew it.

Even if he recanted his beliefs, so what? What bearing does this have on the actual data he collected which supports the theory of evolution?


abf5000 said:
What if you're wrong and God,Heaven,and Hell exist? You're finished then. It's better to play it safe. You don't want to go to Hell, do you? You might as well hedge your bets.

I don't go around wearing bullet-proof vests because it's highly unlikely that I'll get shot..the existence of hell is orders of magnitude more unlikely. There is no evidence for its existence, and there never will be.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

Edited by Poid (08/15/11 05:54 PM)

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
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love2shpongleIRL said:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is God able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is God both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is God neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"


Lots of reasons to call him god with respect to those points.  He could just be superpowerful and involved in our lives, not omnipotent but just real powerful.  That is how many of mankind's gods have been.  Also, what if he just made the universe?  Then I would call him god too, he doesnt even have to interact with me or know me.

Those silly questions were obviously authored with a strict christian-centric thought process in mind.

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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Holy fuck dude, you really believe the earth is 6000 years old? You never responded before, are you just here to proselytize?


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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: DieCommie]
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That is why I posted it.


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Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.
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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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abf5000 said:
No, the burden of proof is on you because there is no history prior to that date...

You don't understand debate..you are the one who made the initial claim that the earth is 6,000 years old. The burden of proof is on the initial claimant, which is you..I never claimed that the Earth definitely is or isn't 6,000 years old, anyway.


abf5000 said:
...and you are claiming the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

I did not claim that.


abf5000 said:
Without any prior recorded history, there is no reason to believe the earth is any older than than 6,000 years old.

So you're assuming that the Earth could not have existed long before humans? What are you basing this assumption on?

And you're wrong, there is a reason to believe that the Earth is older than 6,000 years..geological and carbon-dating evidence suggests that it is much older than that.


abf5000 said:
You're the one who fails at logic.

Nope. :shrug:


abf5000 said:
Oh well, don't say people didn't warn you, when you die, you'll find out the truth.

You must feel so important with all this fear-mongering.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: love2shpongleIRL]
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Op im curious....where does such a firm conviction come from? To be honest the only people ive met who were so sure of what was taking place in terms of reality and life were schizophrenic.

I honestly want to know how you came to this conclusion about God, Jesus, and life.....how you are able to stand so firm with it? How old are you by the way?


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Hippies and Liberals love Pope Francis, so why dont I quote him for you guys. "There is NO SALVATION outside the Catholic Church" :morningtoke:

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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abf5000 said:
Carbon dating can be seriously messed up if the sample was exposed to water. I recall a test when scientists carbon dated a seal that had died days prior to be over 1500 years old. There are flaws.

Scientists are aware of the flaws, and work with them accordingly. Over time, carbon-dating science has improved and become more accurate.


abf5000 said:
Let's say the earth is definitely 4.5 billion years old and evolution occurred, it still doesn't disprove Christianity anyway.

I agree.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: Almond Flour]
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Op, what is wrong with me living my life the best I can and accepting the fact that I don't know shit? Why do I have to live my life the way some draconian book tells me to? All this arguing is pointless, we will all see when we die(my moneys on eternal darkness).


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Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.
T. S. Eliot

Edited by love2shpongleIRL (08/15/11 05:44 PM)

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: Almond Flour]
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Ethnobotanical said:
Op im curious....where does such a firm conviction come from? To be honest the only people ive met who were so sure of what was taking place in terms of reality and life were schizophrenic.

There are many similarities between the religious and the mentally ill.


Ethnobotanical said:
I honestly want to know how you came to this conclusion about God, Jesus, and life.....how you are able to stand so firm with it?

It makes him feel secure, and preaching gives him an ego boost.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: Almond Flour]
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My parents are strong Christians and they raised me to be one too. I'm 20 if you want to know my age. Do I believe in an old earth? Okay, I do, I was messing around, but I'm still skeptical of evolution. Those things don't disprove Christianity anyway. If you have watched the video I posted, you will see some famous Atheists who were very scared on their deathbed.

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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abf5000 said:
If you have watched the video I posted, you will see some famous Atheists who were very scared on their deathbed.

Death anxiety does not prove that god exists.


abf5000 said:
My parents are strong Christians and they raised me to be one too.

lol, and you're talking about people being brainwashed.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: abf5000]
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abf5000 said:
If you have watched the video I posted, you will see some famous Atheists who were very scared on their deathbed.


People scared of the unknown? This is news.


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Re: Atheists:Aren't you scared that Hell might exist? What if you're wrong? [Re: Poid]
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hell doesnt even exist in the bible. why would it exist for real? :aweshift:


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Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely.
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