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Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says * 1
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A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers.

The study found a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation....




PLEASE GOD SAY IT IS TRUE!!!!

seriously. its the worst junk food for the mind there has ever been.

Edited by DeadHearts (03/22/11 04:02 PM)

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: DeadHearts]
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NICE

I clicked the link hoping that Canada would be part of the nine and it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let Canada and the other 8 pave the road towards evolution!


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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: DeadHearts]
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It's going to be a brutally long haul in the United States. I have a feeling.


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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: robbyberto]
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there is no way my father will outlive religion, no way in hell


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notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "

ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: robbyberto]
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robbyberto said:
It's going to be a brutally long haul in the United States. I have a feeling.


The Federal government will collapse eventually and the states will be divided into a few secular republics and a few theocracies IMO. The republics will do better in the long run, providing more intelligent and responsive governments with higher living standards, but the theocracies will stick around forever like the mummified corpses they are. At least, until somebody mercy-nukes them. That's how they did it in the Old Testament.

People get really proud of their backwardness for some reason, and they will defend it to the death.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (03/22/11 04:27 PM)

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Religion isn't even close to being gone in the US, let alone California; Tchan, if you've been to Bakersfield, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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one can only hope Peace my have a chance!


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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Clownswor]
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Hope, LOL


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Religion isn't even close to being gone in the US, let alone California; Tchan, if you've been to Bakersfield, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.


I actually have not, but I've lived in Tennessee for a couple years and those guys... with their Jesus... wow. :suicide:


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said:
Poid said:
Religion isn't even close to being gone in the US, let alone California; Tchan, if you've been to Bakersfield, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.


I actually have not, but I've lived in Tennessee for a couple years and those guys... with their Jesus... wow. :suicide:


:lolsy:

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Clownswor]
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Promising outlook. But we still need atheism to be the main belief. Because I bet a lot of those non affiliated still believe in god.

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Bakersfield is an extremely conservative area in the Central Valley of California--I lived there during my freshman year of high school, it was terrible.

I'm not sure if any states would be willing to form secular republics if/when the Federal government collapses, because each state seems to have more believers than non-believers...:levitate:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: BeverageFace]
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BeverageFace said:
Promising outlook. But we still need atheism to be the main belief. Because I bet a lot of those non affiliated still believe in god.


I disagree, that's called "spirituality" by a lot of folks around here and it avoids the cultural trap of organized religion.

It can still be used as an excuse for ignorance, though.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Bakersfield is an extremely conservative area in the Central Valley of California--I lived there during my freshman year of high school, it was terrible.

I'm not sure if any states would be willing to form secular republics if/when the Federal government collapses, because each state seems to have more believers than non-believers...:levitate:


Then why isn't the federal government a theocracy? I really hope you're wrong about this, I don't want to have to go to war with Jesus freaks. :facepalm:


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Poid]
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Once everyone who is currently over 40 dies the picture of religion in America will be much different.. :awesome:

I grew up in one of the most religious states in the union (Idaho..) and while most of the adults I knew were devout christians the majority of kids I knew (bias:I don't hang out with many christers) were atheist/agnostic and generally despised religion


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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
Once everyone who is currently over 40 dies the picture of religion in America will be much different.. :awesome:

I grew up in one of the most religious states in the union (Idaho..) and while most of the adults I knew were devout christians the majority of kids I knew (bias:I don't hang out with many christers) were atheist/agnostic and generally despised religion


That sounds promising indeed :cool:

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said:
Poid said:
Bakersfield is an extremely conservative area in the Central Valley of California--I lived there during my freshman year of high school, it was terrible.

I'm not sure if any states would be willing to form secular republics if/when the Federal government collapses, because each state seems to have more believers than non-believers...:levitate:


Then why isn't the federal government a theocracy?

There could be many reasons for this, but to be fair, I don't think state governments and federal governments can be compared easily when discussing why they either become republics or theocracies--I think the vast difference in population is a huge factor that one must not ignore when making such a comparison.


Tchan909 said:
I really hope you're wrong about this, I don't want to have to go to war with Jesus freaks. :facepalm:

Hopefully they'll allow you to conscientiously object, like Jesus would have done. :smirk:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Poid]
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Have you Americans thoughts that perhaps maybe if you didn't print out millions of copies of that religious propaganda you call the US dollar 'In god we trust' things could change...

Perhaps having a president that doesnt mention god all the time would help too...

(don't mean to offend any of you, just saying)


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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said:
Have you Americans thoughts that perhaps maybe if you didn't print out millions of copies of that religious propaganda you call the US dollar 'In god we trust' things could change...

I have no control or influence over this, don't blame me.


Patlal said:
Perhaps having a president that doesnt mention god all the time would help too...

Every President has mentioned God.


Patlal said:
(don't mean to offend any of you, just saying)

You're not offending us, it's not our fucking fault. At all.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says [Re: DeadHearts]
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What a bullshit study. It's essentially based on the central premise of network externalities, which posits that the value (or more accurately: the utility) of a network (e.g. a user group, or in this case a religion) rises and therefore its attractiveness increases with the number of users or members. (Yes, I know that network externalities relies on a square or exponential increase, but for the argument it doesn't matter if it's linear or exponential). While this might be true for networks for which memberships is a voluntary choice, but it seems to me that being religious and actually joining a religion is not experienced by all as a voluntary choice made on the basis of the value of the network, but as a vocation that is difficult and somehow 'wrong' to resist. I think that there's another fatal flaw in the study right there, because it appears to assume (although the authors probably mention this in the limitations of their study; I haven't read the original publication) that being religious is the same as belonging to a religion. I think those are two very different things, and that many people consider themselves religious in some way ("I believe in 'something'...") without belonging to an organized religion. So at best, this study could say something about the popularity of existing, organized religions. A final fatal flaw, however, is even in that respect, the outcomes are disputable; if a religious group shrinks to a very small size, according to the authors the group should lose all its attractiveness and therefore peter out. However, I think it's likely that the reverse happens: as the group grows smaller, it may become more attractive, as membership of the group is a way of expressing a deeply rooted belief that 'we are just, and we are the only ones to get it right, counter to popular belief'. A final argument against the size/value theory is that all organized religions started small, but they grew nonetheless. Of course, one could simply invert the authors' model, but that introduces the underlying question if, and at what moment, utility can be attributed to not belonging to a religious group (no affiliation).

In short, it's a nice mathematical exercise, but it steps over the underlying sociological dynamics in favor of adopting a relatively straightforward assumption that works reasonably well for the data they got hold of. More importantly, I think it fails to recognize an interesting duality of religion: it serves both as a coordination mechanism through the definition of rules to live by, and at the same time it gives people a sense of spiritual belonging. While I believe that utility may be very relevant for the first aspect, I also believe it is much less so for the second. For I believe that mankind's need to organize society and to coordinate human behavior is innate, but so is a sense of spirituality; at least to many of us.

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