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MAnske tek
    #1405723 - 03/24/03 11:29 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This pertains to the manske tek for rue:

1. Is non distilled white vinegar as good as distilled?
2. If salt is sea salt, and may be iodized--is this a problem? What percent impurities will occur from this?
3. Is 1 gram salt per 10 ml vinegar/water (60/40) the norm?
4. Any other tips for a better product?


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    #1406672 - 03/24/03 06:00 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: MAnske tek [Re: poke smot!]
    #1407171 - 03/24/03 11:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, my friend in holland appreciated your feedback. He agrees the goo is fine. In gelcaps it is easy to consume. He takes 2-3 full 000 capsules, which is 2-3 grams. this works well, but he wants to re-aquaint hiself with the crystal form.

It sounds like you are using manske vinegar salt tek. Can you describe the basic steps taken, especially straining, adding salt, heating up and coolingdown.

he says that starting with 6oz material, you may get 6 grams possibly.


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Re: MAnske tek [Re: Floydster]
    #1407304 - 03/25/03 02:10 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

if you cook the vinegar/seed tea down to reduce volume, this will help...
canning/picling salt is pure NaCl (most "table" salt has iodine, sodium silico-aluminate, & often dextrose... no big deal, but why not start with pure stuff?
the first pile of crystals upon cooling is fairly pure stuff when dried out, but --- if you take these crystals & dissolve them in hot water & then add laundry ammonia (unscented nonsudsing) you will get a precipitate that is freebase form of harmine & harmaline, which can be washed with ice water & used as is (as a cappable or smokable powder), OR can be then redissolved in hot vineger & salted & cooled for a VERY pure final product of harmine/harmaline HCl crystals...
the basic text was from an article in manske's series of texts _the alkaloids_ (i forget which volume, hehheh..) but the bit about the vinegar & salt method (which may also work for stuff like ibogaine from eboka root!) was from an earlier article by a natural products chemist named hasenfratz...
portions of the text (& occasionally commentary thereon) can be found archived at places like erowid.org & lycaeum.org, & prolly in BBs like shroomery.org, spiritplants.com, entheogen.com, ayahuasca.com & maybe even still at glider's hanger, i dunno...
(i still want to seperate the harmine from the harmaline; also, doing this process on caapi vine results in a very different looking end product (no doubt due to the presence of THH & the relative puacity of harmaline) which, when properly dried, i label "instant caapi"... now if one could obtain a powder from the mhrb or chaliponga (perhaps a purified acetate salt of the desired tryptamines) you would be able to mix it up the way you want; just add water or fruit juice & fasten you seat belt (& keep the airsick bag close by, eh? :wink: ... ymmv...)


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Re: MAnske tek [Re: gnrm23]
    #1416864 - 03/29/03 03:07 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

My friend tells me that he added salt to the warm mixture and it sat overnight. He doesnt see crystals on the bottom of the pot. The one other time he did it, crystals were apparent at bottom of mix.
So should he reheat and cool in the fridge? Will this help or not? thanks for replies...


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Re: MAnske tek [Re: Floydster]
    #1417714 - 03/30/03 02:42 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, can anyone help here? Someone with a bit of chemistry knowledge perhaps.


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