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This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa * 1
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Can someone explain the Egypt situation to me? (and the rest of us uninformed, please?)

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http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/famjz/can_someone_explain_the_egypt_situation_to_me_and/

The Catalyst: Tunisia a country in Northern Africa was ruled by a repressive and dictatorial regime led by President Ben Ali. At the end of 2010, a series of riots broke out throughout Tunisia, collectively termed the "Jasmine Revolution." The root causes are considered to be mass unemployment, widespread corruption, appalling living conditions and the governments propensity to squash free speech. This resulted in President Ben Ali dissolving the government, a victory for the revolutionaries.

Regional results: In the region, the success of the Tunisian revolution led to widespread instability. It had previously been considered axiomatic that regional dictatorships were too stable to fall. The Tunisian revolution proved otherwise and soon protests began all over the region, most strongly in Algeria, Yemen and Egypt.

Egypt: The Egyptian youth were mobilized by the example set by the Tunisian revolution. Many suggested that the upcoming 25th of January 'National Police Day' be instead used as a massive nation wide protest against corruption. Other causes for the unrest have been the widespread brutality of the Egyptian police and military (Egypt is basically a dictatorship because the country is under 'Emergency law' and has been since 1967), the crippling poverty in the country and President Mubarak himself.

The Egyptian Response: The Egyptian police and military have been very heavy handed in responding to the protests. A huge number of protestors have been beaten by police and plain clothes secret police officers. Three have been confirmed killed at the time of this writing. In an effort to stop the protestors utilizing Facebook and Twitter to organize and get their message out, Egypt shut down access to those two sites and now, basically unplugged the country from the internet entirely.

Friday: This Friday will see a pivotal moment in the Egyptian revolution as a mass protest has been called after traditional Friday prayers. The Egyptians have called for a "Million Man March" but the chaos in the country and the unpredictability of what's going on makes it difficult to even guess at what will actually transpire.

Predictions: Analysts are split as to what will happen in Egypt. There seems to be a concensus that unlike Tunisia, whose military was underpaid, had terrible morale and had little stake in the Police State, the Egyptian army is far more likely to support the Mubarak regime. If the support of the armed forces wavers (as the police support already has, on occasion) then a very real revolution is on the cards.

The U.S in the Region: If you're American and wondering, the U.S has a lot of skin in the game. Mubarak has received a huge amount of aid from the United States. Egypt is one of the only Middle Eastern countries to have something approaching a lasting peace treaty with Israel, and Mubarak is generally considered to be a 'friend of the West' by the standards of his fellow leaders in the region. Many of the protesters see the U.S as propping up Mubarak's regime. If the revolution succeeds, any popular democracy in Egypt is almost certainly going produce leaders with anti-American platforms. Further, one of the largest opposition groups in Egypt is the Muslim Brotherhood, which is considered a terrorist organization and a supporter of terrorism by the Russian Federation and is typically anti-west in its rhetoric.

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Arden]
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[Bumping this. Democracy is a little more important that haha, facebook, what u eating, smoke weed, dude, yea]

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Arden]
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Im really interested to see what we(the U.S) do if anything:strokebeard:

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Parkseerf]
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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Arden]
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It's insane how much shit is just happening at once.  The whole North Korea thing, and now Tunisia and Egypt.  And Iran isn't looking very stable either.  I see World War III on it's way.  Hopefully I'm wrong.

(obviously I'm not implying the problems in North Korea and the Middle East are related, just pointing out how all the instability around the world is coming in one big wave)

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: BothHands] * 1
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you are wrong don't worry

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: DeadHearts]
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About the WWIII?  Well, I hope so.  But we're losing our hold on all the Middle Eastern Countries.  We can't get involved in Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt, and co. without a lot of help.  Hopefully we won't need to get involved, but.. well, hopefully we won't need to get involved.. 

Edited by BothHands (01/28/11 01:32 PM)

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: BothHands]
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peace peace peace.:peace:

Spread some of that on your toast.


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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: thoughts]
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Looks like future America over there. I doubt the US military would restrain from killing all of us tho.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Kada]
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I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values.

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Kada]
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Kada said:
Looks like future America over there. I doubt the US military would restrain from killing all of us tho.



Even when the military gets called in, they usually have a really hard time opening fire on their countrymen. That's what happened when the military got called in Egypt.

Besides, if the US government opened fire on we, the people, our credibility as standing for the people and justice would go right out the fucking window.

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Arden] * 1
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Arden said:

Something something wah wah something blah something blah blah








Haha, facebook. What u eating brah? Smoke weed, dude.  :chillpill:

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Downer45]
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Downer45 said:
I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values.



Good! I served and joined Oathkeepers. Look into it! Great organization.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Arden]
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Arden said:
[Bumping this. Democracy is a little more important that haha, facebook, what u eating, smoke weed, dude, yea]



Nice sweeping generalizations.


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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: jewunit]
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Do not participate in the DDoS attack, though.

One member of another forum I use just had his house raided by the FBI for participating

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Synesthetic]
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Party van!

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:



Do not participate in the DDoS attack, though.

One member of another forum I use just had his house raided by the FBI for participating



Yeah, the FBI is starting to crackdown on this shit. I saw an article earlier
talking about 40 raids or some shit. Cant find it now.

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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: Arden]
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Hopefully this doesn't turn out like Iran. I've heard that the Muslim brotherhood has been staying out of everything for the most part, but I don't expect that to last.


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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: blewmeanie]
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"What is happening in Egypt, and in other parts of the Islamic world, is representative of the frustrations and yearning of people tired of the abuses imposed upon them by dictators such as Hosni Mubarak. There is simply no place in today's world for regimes that stay in power for three decades over the will of the people. Sadly, one of the biggest losers is going to be the USA, who is likely to be blamed for the ability of people like Mubarak to remain in power because of our military, economic and moral support to so many strongmen throughout the world. The $1B a year that we give Egypt (the second largest recipient of US foreign aid after Israel), and the military aid we have been giving them for decades on condition of leaving Israel alone, have played a major role in Mubarak's ability to stay in power.

Once again, our obtuse foreign policy put us on the wrong side of history, and has not only damaged our credibility, but imperiled our ability to expand our economic and geopolitical goals in that part of the world"


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Re: This is a brief and concise explanation for what is occurring now in North Africa [Re: blewmeanie]
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jewunit said:
Arden said:
[Bumping this. Democracy is a little more important that haha, facebook, what u eating, smoke weed, dude, yea]



Nice sweeping generalizations.



Congrats, you've contributed nothing.

blewmeanie said:
Hopefully this doesn't turn out like Iran. I've heard that the Muslim brotherhood has been staying out of everything for the most part, but I don't expect that to last.



They encouraged larger protests and participation. I read some of the senior members were detained to stifle their influence.

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