F0SS1L said:

No one is going to take your guns away.

And I don't really see why people say "gun control" like it's a bad thing. Guns SHOULD be hard to get. At least the first time. Once you've proved you can handle a weapon, use it responsibly, and aren't batshit insane I don't care what you keep in your home for self defense or use to kill animals with. But I shouldn't be able walk into a shop, wait a week, and then go on a rampage.

Then again I suppose the dude that shot Gifford could have just as easily gotten one off the street so I don't know what the REAL solution is. I'm not sure of anything other than the fact that we have way too many and they're way easy to get.

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How exactly would you prove you can handle it, use it responsibly, and aren't insane?  Checking your criminal record and making you wait a few days is a good system I think.  It stops crimes of passion/heat of the moment and it keeps guns from convicted violent criminals.  That's a good policy I think.

The dude who shot Gifford made multiple death threats that were ignored by police.  The people around him knew something wasn't right with him, so did his parents.  This shooting could have been prevented.

F0SS1L said:

Then again I suppose the dude that shot Gifford could have just as easily gotten one off the street so I don't know what the REAL solution is. I'm not sure of anything other than the fact that we have way too many and they're way easy to get.

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amilibertine said:

How exactly would you prove you can handle it, use it responsibly, and aren't insane?

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13.step said:

Dude sorry, but Hitler came to power by being elected, he abused his position to gain further power, read up on it first and then talk. Antisemitism was kind of a fad in Europe back in those times, in fact back in most European history, again read then talk.

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uber_aj said:

F0SS1L said:

Then again I suppose the dude that shot Gifford could have just as easily gotten one off the street so I don't know what the REAL solution is. I'm not sure of anything other than the fact that we have way too many and they're way easy to get.

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Wait, what is the problem that you're trying to provide a solution for?

Mentally unstable sociopaths? They're a small percentage of our population that will never go away. What makes you sure there are too many guns? The fact that a negligible percentage of our population are killed by them?

If anything the military has too many weapons, not the civilian population. If you took all material objects away from people, we'd beat and bite each other to death. The fact that these occasional events cause such a big shit storm is a testament to our safety, nothing more.

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Against this violent backdrop, Hitler's party gained a shocking victory in the Reichstag, obtaining 107 seats (18.3%, 6,406,397 votes). The Nazis became the second largest party in Germany. In Bavaria the party gained 17.9% of the vote, though for the first time this percentage was exceeded by most other provinces: Oldenburg (27.3%), Braunschweig (26.6%), Waldeck (26.5%), Mecklenburg-Strelitz (22.6%), Lippe (22.3%) Mecklenburg-Schwerin (20.1%), Anhalt (19.8%), Thuringen (19.5%), Baden (19.2%), Hamburg (19.2%), Prussia (18.4%), Hessen (18.4%), Sachsen (18.3%), Lubeck (18.3%) and Schaumburg-Lippe (18.1%).

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Hitler had polled over 11 million votes but was still behind Hindenburg. The second and final round took place on 10 April: Hitler (36.8% 13,418,547) lost out to Paul von Hindenburg (53.0% 19,359,983) whilst KPD candidate Thälmann gained a meagre percentage of the vote (10.2% 3,706,759).

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13.step said:

Yay discussion about Hitler!!!

you forgot this bit:

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Against this violent backdrop, Hitler's party gained a shocking victory in the Reichstag, obtaining 107 seats (18.3%, 6,406,397 votes). The Nazis became the second largest party in Germany. In Bavaria the party gained 17.9% of the vote, though for the first time this percentage was exceeded by most other provinces: Oldenburg (27.3%), Braunschweig (26.6%), Waldeck (26.5%), Mecklenburg-Strelitz (22.6%), Lippe (22.3%) Mecklenburg-Schwerin (20.1%), Anhalt (19.8%), Thuringen (19.5%), Baden (19.2%), Hamburg (19.2%), Prussia (18.4%), Hessen (18.4%), Sachsen (18.3%), Lubeck (18.3%) and Schaumburg-Lippe (18.1%).

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and this one:

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Hitler had polled over 11 million votes but was still behind Hindenburg. The second and final round took place on 10 April: Hitler (36.8% 13,418,547) lost out to Paul von Hindenburg (53.0% 19,359,983) whilst KPD candidate Thälmann gained a meagre percentage of the vote (10.2% 3,706,759).

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He was elected, then shit happened, doesn't really change the fact that alot of people voted for him.

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Nazi Germany was supported by it's people, if they had guns they would have slaughtered Jews with them.

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Simo Hayha had a fairly boring life in Finland. He served his one mandatory year in the military, and then became a farmer. But when the Soviet Union invaded his homeland in 1939, he decided he wanted to help his country.

Since the majority of fighting took place in the forest, he figured the best way to stop the invasion was to grab his trusty rifle, a couple of cans of food and hide in a tree all day shooting Russians. In six feet of snow. And 20-40 degrees below zero.

Of course when the Russians heard that dozens of their men were going down and that it was all one dude with a rifle, they got fucking scared. He became known as "The White Death" because of his white camouflage outfit, and they actually mounted whole missions just to kill that one guy.

They started by sending out a task force to find Hayha and take him out. He killed them all.

Then they tried getting together a team of counter-snipers (which are basically snipers that kill snipers) and sent them in to eliminate Hayha. He killed all of them, too.

Over the course of 100 days, Hayha killed 542 people with his rifle. He took out another 150 or so with his SMG, sending his credited kill-count up to 705.

Since everyone they had was either too dead or too scared to go anywhere near him, the Russians just carpet-bombed everywhere they thought he might be. Supposedly, they had the location right, and he actually got hit by a cloud of shrapnel that tore his coat up, but didn't actually hurt him, because he's the fucking White Death, damn it.

Finally on March 6th, 1940, some lucky bastard shot Hayha in the head with an exploding bullet. When some other soldiers found him and brought him back to base, he "had half his head missing." The White Death had finally been stopped...

...for about a week. In spite of having come down with a nasty case of shot-in-the-face syndrome, he was still very much alive, and regained consciousness on March 13, the very day the war ended.

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DeadHearts said:

Its about getting guns while you still can before they are taken from us.

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Let me be very very very clear about this:

guns will not be taken from us. 





I was listening to the Thomas Jefferson hour on NPR yestreday and he was making that very very clear

13.step said:

But that's not the point, I simply don't understand why ameircans seem to think that their guns are the only thing keeping the government from storming their homes? And it hasn't been explained to me who from the government they are afraid of, and why would they storm their homes?

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I don't think many people believe that this is imminent, it's just an insurance policy. During WWII the fed gov rounded up all the Asians and stripped them of their homes to throw them in camps, spurred by fear of espionage. Many of them never got their property or lives back.

I simply don't understand why you seem to think that it couldn't happen again, to any number of American minorities, be it gays, atheists, Muslims, etc. Our media today would have an even easier time convincing the average Joe that a "cleansing" is necessary...