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External HDD issue
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Alright shroomery PC wizards I am in a bind and hopefully someone can help. For an early Xmas present I bought a new motherboard for my Desktop. Everything installed without a hitch. However after plugging in my 1TB external HDD and then trying to point my media player to the appropriate folders on said drive, I kept running into permission issues. I recall telling myself that there has to be an easier way to allow permissions on everything in the HDD instead of clicking on each folder and subfolder etc. I must have clicked something wrong because now whenever I try to access the HDD I get a message that the drive is "inaccessible. Access denied."

I DID take ownership of the drive (and checked the folders and subfolders box as well) and it will pop up a box and I can see the files that are on the drive having ownership switched over.

I DID enable file sharing.

The files were NOT encrypted.

I did NOT format the drive.

It still says access denied on another windows machine. (Vista laptop)

I have had this external HDD on several desktops/hardware configurations and never had any permission issues before.

I don't have another OS around the house other than windows. Will it show up under another OS? Will Data Recovery software work if I am denied access? Are my years of MP3, video files and pictures recoverable or am I boned?

Thanks for any help guys.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: Digital Dreams]
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you could download a LiveCD/USB of linux, boot that up and try to access the files, and transfer what you need to your windows installation partition. might pay to "chmod -777 [directory]" the directories before doing anything else to ensure you can do what you want in linux.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: flangenips]
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I appreciate the reply flangenips. Any particular flavor of Linux you would recommend? One that is good for a Linux newbie? It will be all new to me.

Forgot to add: I have Multiple internal HDDs. Could I just partition an area of one and set up my Linux install there? Would I be able to choose which OS i wanted to boot up at start up?


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Edited by Digital Dreams (12/26/10 03:56 PM)

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Re: External HDD issue [Re: Digital Dreams]
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i dont believe NTFS recognizes *nix style permission flags.

linux will not work.

OP, if you just change the permissions for the top level there should be an option somewhere to "Apply to all subdirectories" or something to that effect. you definitely dont have to click each individual file/folder.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: frith]
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Frith I have changed the permissions (and checked the box for folders and subfolders) to my PC-Name/Administrators. Several times now in fact. Even though I can see the files being changed over to the "new owner" it is still the same result every time. If I reboot and plug the HDD in, it asks me if I want to format it. I of course choose no. Then it's back to the same access denied bullshit.

So I wouldn't be able to recover the files through a Linux distro? Is it because the file format of the external is NTFS? I consider you the boards Linux go to guy and was hoping you would be able to shed some light. Thanks.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: Digital Dreams]
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oh durrr... i didnt even think of file recovery. i just know that it wont be able to change file permissions.

you could boot a live disc and try to copy it off.

if it doesnt work then your partition table may be messed up. youll need some type of file recovery software.. something i know nothing about.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: frith]
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Alright. Thanks for the help man. I will see what I can do. If it can't be recovered it's gonna suck but not the end of the world.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: Digital Dreams]
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Digital Dreams said:
Frith I have changed the permissions (and checked the box for folders and subfolders) to my PC-Name/Administrators. Several times now in fact. Even though I can see the files being changed over to the "new owner" it is still the same result every time. If I reboot and plug the HDD in, it asks me if I want to format it. I of course choose no. Then it's back to the same access denied bullshit.

So I wouldn't be able to recover the files through a Linux distro? Is it because the file format of the external is NTFS? I consider you the boards Linux go to guy and was hoping you would be able to shed some light. Thanks.



most modern linux distros can access files from NTFS, and also copy them to other filesystems back and forth, regardless of what permissions are set in windows, and even run video/mp3 directly from it too... i'm doing this right now on antiX linux listening to mp3s on my ntfs partition :laugh:.

However i'm wondering if there is anything set at the drive
level. Since i know litle about your drive, i would suggest Checking for anything by right clicking the drive in mycomputer and checking the properties, or maybe your drive has some sort of firmware? i.e "Store 'n Go" brand, with advanced settings

As for linux i wouldn't recommend the change to it if your just going to watch video, mp3, and play games. (though linux does the first two great!) It may not be worth the time invested to work with it when windows is adequate (though only just adequate if you ask some of the dudes around here). But if you're considering dual booting with linux/windows options i would suggest taking a look at these links
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_windows_xp_and_linux_xp_installed_first.htm
for dual booting tutorials. Same works for all distros i've tried.
As for distros i recommend to newbies: Ubuntu, Mint, Mepis are all quick to become familiar with, then after thats done and you like it so far you may want to get more adventurous with other distros.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: flangenips]
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flangenips said:
most modern linux distros can access files from NTFS, and also copy them to other filesystems back and forth, regardless of what permissions are set in windows, and even run video/mp3 directly from it too... i'm doing this right now on antiX linux listening to mp3s on my ntfs partition :laugh:.



true. you can read and write without issue. you cant change windows permissions from within linux though.

for example: windows would have no idea what to do if you gave a file a permission setting of 600. they just dont translate.

and vice versa.. linux cant understand windows file permissions. in this particular instance, thats a good thing. OP should be able to back up his info no problem.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: flangenips]
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flangenips said:
Digital Dreams said:
Frith I have changed the permissions (and checked the box for folders and subfolders) to my PC-Name/Administrators. Several times now in fact. Even though I can see the files being changed over to the "new owner" it is still the same result every time. If I reboot and plug the HDD in, it asks me if I want to format it. I of course choose no. Then it's back to the same access denied bullshit.

So I wouldn't be able to recover the files through a Linux distro? Is it because the file format of the external is NTFS? I consider you the boards Linux go to guy and was hoping you would be able to shed some light. Thanks.



most modern linux distros can access files from NTFS, and also copy them to other filesystems back and forth, regardless of what permissions are set in windows, and even run video/mp3 directly from it too... i'm doing this right now on antiX linux listening to mp3s on my ntfs partition :laugh:.

However i'm wondering if there is anything set at the drive
level. Since i know litle about your drive, i would suggest Checking for anything by right clicking the drive in mycomputer and checking the properties, or maybe your drive has some sort of firmware? i.e "Store 'n Go" brand, with advanced settings

As for linux i wouldn't recommend the change to it if your just going to watch video, mp3, and play games. (though linux does the first two great!) It may not be worth the time invested to work with it when windows is adequate (though only just adequate if you ask some of the dudes around here). But if you're considering dual booting with linux/windows options i would suggest taking a look at these links
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_windows_xp_and_linux_xp_installed_first.htm
for dual booting tutorials. Same works for all distros i've tried.
As for distros i recommend to newbies: Ubuntu, Mint, Mepis are all quick to become familiar with, then after thats done and you like it so far you may want to get more adventurous with other distros.




flangenips said:
Digital Dreams said:
Frith I have changed the permissions (and checked the box for folders and subfolders) to my PC-Name/Administrators. Several times now in fact. Even though I can see the files being changed over to the "new owner" it is still the same result every time. If I reboot and plug the HDD in, it asks me if I want to format it. I of course choose no. Then it's back to the same access denied bullshit.

So I wouldn't be able to recover the files through a Linux distro? Is it because the file format of the external is NTFS? I consider you the boards Linux go to guy and was hoping you would be able to shed some light. Thanks.



most modern linux distros can access files from NTFS, and also copy them to other filesystems back and forth, regardless of what permissions are set in windows, and even run video/mp3 directly from it too... i'm doing this right now on antiX linux listening to mp3s on my ntfs partition :laugh:.

However i'm wondering if there is anything set at the drive
level. Since i know litle about your drive, i would suggest Checking for anything by right clicking the drive in mycomputer and checking the properties, or maybe your drive has some sort of firmware? i.e "Store 'n Go" brand, with advanced settings

As for linux i wouldn't recommend the change to it if your just going to watch video, mp3, and play games. (though linux does the first two great!) It may not be worth the time invested to work with it when windows is adequate (though only just adequate if you ask some of the dudes around here). But if you're considering dual booting with linux/windows options i would suggest taking a look at these links
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_windows_xp_and_linux_xp_installed_first.htm
for dual booting tutorials. Same works for all distros i've tried.
As for distros i recommend to newbies: Ubuntu, Mint, Mepis are all quick to become familiar with, then after thats done and you like it so far you may want to get more adventurous with other distros.



Thanks for the follow up reply Flange. I have been wanting to get my feet wet with Linux for some time now anyway, so maybe this will be a good reason for me to get off my lazy ass and do it. I am far from a computer nub just not that familiar with linux...yet. I learn pretty quickly though. I am currently recovering the files right now through a recovery utility I torrented so I am breathing a sigh of relief. It's a Seagate external but I never installed any of the garbage software that came with it, I just let windows 7 install the driver for it.

I learned my lesson though. For one I was tired and had just got through installing the motherboard and finished up wire management. I was rushing and not paying attention and somehow made the partition unstable due to my screwing around with permissions. I am going to buy another External though and back up my back up.

All in all things went ok. This is my first all out built from scratch pc. I am digging it so far. Just bought the components i wanted over a couple of months and then put it together.


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Re: External HDD issue [Re: Digital Dreams]
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Got them sucky Vista blues, eh? First for your issue with the external, if you can access the hard drive (sounds like this is the case) from your os, then download a sweet piece of freeware "roadkills unstoppable copier". This utility will let you copy those files to a different drive. Doesn't sound like you are in a situation where you need data recovered, so this should help.

Second, move up to Windows 7 and you will have fewer issues like this!

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