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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Humility VS Egoism
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Sometimes I think that people desire to be humble because of the way an egotistical person treated them at some point in their life; this treatment caused them to feel bad about themselves, and as a result caused them to detest egoism. Since they don't want to be hypocrites, they choose to not to treat people the same way they were once treated.

In reality, though, egoism can be very fun and fulfilling, so people who decide to live completely humble lives IMO are missing out on a lot fun, anybody who has snorted a good line of coke knows what I'm talking about. :shrug2:


What say you? :rail2:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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You don't kill the ego, you just stop feeding it.
What you're describing sounds like attempts to kill the ego,
Which really just feeds it.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
You don't kill the ego, you just stop feeding it.

Why?


Kickle said:
What you're describing sounds like attempts to kill the ego,
Which really just feeds it.

So you think that what I'm describing isn't genuine humility?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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Right, not genuine humility. As for why, I think you hit on one of many specific reasons. Generally id say because the ego does more harm than good.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Right, not genuine humility.

So what do you think causes a person to be "genuinely humble"?


Kickle said:
As for why, I think you hit on one of many specific reasons. Generally id say because the ego does more harm than good.

All I'm saying is that being 100% humble causes you to miss out on a lot of fun, I'm not saying that being humble is always stupid or whatever.

The ego may generally cause more harm than good, but I'd say that completely ignoring its appetite causes more harm than good.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Kickle]
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Fulfilling duty to the self often includes being humble.

Are you confusing Egoism with Egotism?

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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I humbly approve of coke.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Icelander]
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wellage said:
Fulfilling duty to the self often includes being humble.

Yes but this doesn't mean that one must be humble 100% of the time.


wellage said:
Are you confusing Egoism with Egotism?

Is there a difference? :confused:


Icelander said:
I humbly approve of coke.:thumbup:

:lol:, me too! :thumbup:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
wellage said:
Fulfilling duty to the self often includes being humble.

Yes but this doesn't mean that one must be humble 100% of the time.


wellage said:
Are you confusing Egoism with Egotism?

Is there a difference? :confused:


Icelander said:
I humbly approve of coke.:thumbup:

:lol:, me too! :thumbup:


Yes but it also doesn't mean one must not be humble 100% of the time.

Neither of your characters are playing their role

Edited by wellage (09/21/10 04:38 PM)

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Kickle said:
Right, not genuine humility.

So what do you think causes a person to be "genuinely humble"?



Not using strengths to feed the ego
Not using weaknesses to feed the ego
Letting the ego run out of fuel

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Kickle said:
As for why, I think you hit on one of many specific reasons. Generally id say because the ego does more harm than good.

All I'm saying is that being 100% humble causes you to miss out on a lot of fun, I'm not saying that being humble is always stupid or whatever.

The ego may generally cause more harm than good, but I'd say that completely ignoring its appetite causes more harm than good.


What spurs you to say that?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Kickle]
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Because egoism can be fun, really fun. I'm not saying that humility can't be fulfilling, I'm only saying that those who choose to be 100% humble are missing out.

As for ignoring the ego's appetite causing more harm than good, I think this speaks for itself--if a part of you is undernourished, then this means that it needs sustenance. I agree that over-feeding the ego can cause harm, just like overstuffing yourself at Thanksgiving can cause harm.

:fatbastard:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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Interesting, but what does the ego provide when it is fed?

When it is eating the good times, it feels good.
Does the ego provide the good times, or become the good times?
When it is eating the bad times?

Seems to me that all the ego does, is take what already exists and makes it its own.
If you enjoy feeding the illusion of ownership, feel free to continue.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Interesting, but what does the ego provide when it is fed?

Satisfaction IME.


Kickle said:
When it is eating the good times, it feels good.
Does the ego provide the good times, or become the good times?
When it is eating the bad times?

I guess one should watch their ego's diet, much like one should have a nutritious diet for their bodies. :chew:


Kickle said:
Seems to me that all the ego does, is take what already exists and makes it its own.
If you enjoy feeding the illusion of ownership, feel free to continue.

I'm not sure why that would be an illusion, and even if it is if it feels good then so what?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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Try doing something nice for someone that you will get no recognition for. See how that feels.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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Do you think that satisfaction cannot be gained without ownership? Can I not be satisfied with a meal that I did not prepare?

it seems an illusion when it provides nothing but a sense of "I" that cannot be maintained for very long at all. A lifetime at most before that sense of ownership is shown to be false.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Kickle]
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c0sm0nautt said:
Try doing something nice for someone that you will get no recognition for. See how that feels.


I've done it several times, and after a while I just feel under-appreciated for it. :shrug:



Kickle said:
Do you think that satisfaction cannot be gained without ownership? Can I not be satisfied with a meal that I did not prepare?

You can, but isn't it more satisfying to eat a good meal that you know you made?



Kickle said:
it seems an illusion when it provides nothing but a sense of "I" that cannot be maintained for very long at all. A lifetime at most before that sense of ownership is shown to be false.

I still don't see it as false, especially if it lasts a lifetime--just because it temporarily ceases to exist doesn't mean it is false.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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If you cannot control it, what do you gain from claiming you own it? Still seems like an illusion layered on top of reality to me. And what I find satisfying about making my own food is the process of making it. The end result, if it tastes good, is also satisfying, but no more so then if someone else had made it.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
c0sm0nautt said:
Try doing something nice for someone that you will get no recognition for. See how that feels.


I've done it several times, and after a while I just feel under-appreciated for it. :shrug:



What feels under-appreciated is the ego - the constructed self. If your looking to get past it, you will need to transcend it - give up caring about such games and trivialities.

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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Sometimes I think that people desire to be humble because of the way an egotistical person treated them at some point in their life


Maybe, or they just really really want to know the truth of all of this and see that it lies beyond the ego's puny capacity for knowledge

You ever thought that your thoughts about the ego, come from the ego, so will do anything to defend themselves?
I only suggest this as its a reoccurring theme in your posts


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Re: Humility VS Egoism [Re: Chronic7]
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1nfinity said:
Poid said:
Sometimes I think that people desire to be humble because of the way an egotistical person treated them at some point in their life


Maybe, or they just really really want to know the truth of all of this and see that it lies beyond the ego's puny capacity for knowledge

You ever thought that your thoughts about the ego, come from the ego, so will do anything to defend themselves?
I only suggest this as its a reoccurring theme in your posts


:thaaannks:


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See I'm at one with the waves, whereas my wifes breasts are at one with her knees.

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