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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: mikeisapro] * 1
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mikeisapro said:
CaelaHarlot said:
AntiEverything said:
It is defensible because of the highly questionable business practices of Wal-Mart. IE: outsourcing slavery.

They are winning over the mom and pops because they aren't playing the market fairly, yes legally, but morally? hell no.

Thus even if you are breaking a law, when they are not, it is still just. They hire un-entitled peoples of another country at slave wages to monopolize essentially all basic goods, purposely shutting all competitors out of the competition. I would say it is fairly morally just to steal from wal-mart. If anything, to balance out the monopolization and to take back what they have taken from others.

However, I personally do not steal from wal-mart because of the high risk versus small reward, otherwize, down with the system, I would rob them everyday If i knew I could get away with it.

Fuck capitalism.


Again :thumbup:


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It's amazing how many here are in WAL MART's defense. Makes me :facepalm:.....especially since this is the fucking shroomery. We really are living in a corporate slave state when the majority of (working class or middle class) people actually feel indignation over this. GTFO

You are not hurting Wal Mart and you aren't hurting other consumers either. I think some petty theft is insignificant compared to Wal Mart's immorality.


DON'T FUCKING SHOP THERE THEN. Just don't shop there and you will have made your point. Stop trying to say that stealing is OK when you know it's not. You are not being noble here, you being a bad person. Two wrongs don't make a right. Stealing from Walmart IS still wrong. Your stealing. Go live in a fucking cave if you think the world is so corrupt and you can't be bothered to live by a law that really is a moral idea. Stealing from people is wrong and you know it. It hurts people even if you think it doesn't. Trying to justify it just makes you look really stupid.

If people didn't want walmart or their products then they wouldn't have put places out of business. I shop at walmart and if I saw you stealing from there I would grab you myself and hold you till the cops came. If you have a problem with society thats fine, but don't try justifying stealing that costs everyone that shops there money. If anything you would think people would at least respect themselves enough to not steal. I don't care who it is, you don't take shit that doesn't belong to you.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
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Say what you will about theft being wrong. You have a point. Bottom line though is that this is a capitalist society ant theft is a part of capitalism. No matter how you look at it, stealing is work. By stealing you are not hurting the economy, and you are not hurting any people either.

Yes, in the big picture everybody pays a very little bit more for things because you get them for free. Fuck it though. Capitalism honors greed and cheating. Thieves just cheat better than most people.

Your hatred of shoplifters and my hatred for the giant evil corporation are based on the same value.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: psylox]
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psylox said:
i am trying to get people to think on a philosophical level


now we're on the philosophy of stealing, lol... there's nothing
philosophical about it, it's just theft because of greed


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: shroommachine] * 1
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shroommachine said:
Say what you will about theft being wrong. You have a point. Bottom line though is that this is a capitalist society ant theft is a part of capitalism. No matter how you look at it, stealing is work. By stealing you are not hurting the economy, and you are not hurting any people either.

Yes, in the big picture everybody pays a very little bit more for things because you get them for free. Fuck it though. Capitalism honors greed and cheating. Thieves just cheat better than most people.

Your hatred of shoplifters and my hatred for the giant evil corporation are based on the same value.


Your logic is morally flawed to the max.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: shroommachine] * 2
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hey kada if you saw a poor old man stealing an apple from walmart just so he could eat his first bite in a couple of days would you really assault him and hold him down for the police to take care of him....
because we all know what those police will do with the poor guy

everything has a philiosphy to it if you like it or not
i like it how you avoid my question though and just try to belittle it again. you really suck pris


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Kada]
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Again :thumbup:


:thumbup:

It's amazing how many here are in WAL MART's defense. Makes me :facepalm:.....especially since this is the fucking shroomery. We really are living in a corporate slave state when the majority of (working class or middle class) people actually feel indignation over this. GTFO

You are not hurting Wal Mart and you aren't hurting other consumers either. I think some petty theft is insignificant compared to Wal Mart's immorality.


Stealing from people is wrong and you know it.I shop at walmart and if I saw you stealing from there I would grab you myself and hold you till the cops came.


Lol. Yeah Wal Mart is a person, right? I do believe stealing from people is immoral.

Also, you will not find me stealing from wal mart. I have never stolen from any business.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: psylox] * 1
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psylox said:
hey kada if you saw a poor old man stealing an apple from walmart just so he could eat his first bite in a couple of days would you really assault him and hold him down for the police to take care of him....
because we all know what those police will do with the poor guy

everything has a philiosphy to it if you like it or not
i like it how you avoid my question though and just try to belittle it again. you really suck pris


Thats what shelters are for. People are not stealing food to eat, they are stealing because they are greedy. Don't try to tell me that we have starving people in the US that have no other option but to steal to survive thats BULLSHIT.

Your argument is flawed and ignorant.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: psylox] * 1
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psylox said:
hey kada if you saw a poor old man stealing an apple from walmart just so he could eat his first bite in a couple of days would you really assault him and hold him down for the police to take care of him....
because we all know what those police will do with the poor guy

everything has a philiosphy to it if you like it or not
i like it how you avoid my question though and just try to belittle it again. you really suck pris


Right I would hold down Kada and wait until the cops came and busted him for smoking ILLEGAL substances.

Let's tattle! Crimestoppers wins!


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Kada] * 2
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wow youve been told lies son.. lots of lies.
im sorry to burst your bubble but yes people are starving here in the us. we are not the perfect country you think we are.
its not bullshit lol


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: mikeisapro] * 1
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You guys are stupid mother fuckers. How you come to the conclusions you come to are completely self serving just shows what type of people you are. You can't compare crimes that hurt people and crimes that don't harm anyone like they are on the same moral scale at all. Now your just reaching.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Kada] * 1
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Kada said:
psylox said:
hey kada if you saw a poor old man stealing an apple from walmart just so he could eat his first bite in a couple of days would you really assault him and hold him down for the police to take care of him....
because we all know what those police will do with the poor guy

everything has a philiosphy to it if you like it or not
i like it how you avoid my question though and just try to belittle it again. you really suck pris


Thats what shelters are for. People are not stealing food to eat, they are stealing because they are greedy. Don't try to tell me that we have starving people in the US that have no other option but to steal to survive thats BULLSHIT.

Your argument is flawed and ignorant.


Lol people are stealing because they are greedy?

I guess you didn't now this but...I think Wal Mart is greedy, too :whatever:

Probably more greedy than someone who takes a fucking 50 dollar item :rolleyes:


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Kada] * 2
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Kada said:
Your logic is morally flawed to the max.


So is yours. Wal mart Destroys people's lives. Shoplifting has a statistically insignificant impact on the profits of an evil corporation.

Plato said Justice means doing good things to your friends and doing harm to your enemies.

My friends steal from wal mart which sometimes helps me(I get to watch It's always sunny)
Wal Mart is my enemy

Therefore, Justice= Stealing from Wal mart.


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And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk ...four times already this year and I used to be over by the window and I could see the squirrels, and they were merry, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and its not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire.

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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: psylox] * 1
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im not arguing with anyone here kada... so i dont know where your coming from.
im trying to get you guys to think outside the box.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: mikeisapro] * 1
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Your really going to tell me that making a legitimate business to make money is greedy and it's ok to steal from them because you are greedy to? Your logic is so beyond fail that I am ashamed that people think that way.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: shroommachine] * 1
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Kada said:
Your logic is morally flawed to the max.


So is yours. Wal mart Destroys people's lives. Shoplifting has a statistically insignificant impact on the profits of an evil corporation.

My friend works for walmart and gets paid damn well for the work he does. He hates people like you that think this way. If no one wanted to shop there then they wouldn't be in buisness. People do shop there and by stealing from Walmart you are stealing from everyone.

Plato said Justice means doing good things to your friends and doing harm to your enemies.

Your an idiot.

My friends steal from wal mart which sometimes helps me(I get to watch It's always sunny)
Wal Mart is my enemy

Therefore, Justice= Stealing from Wal mart.

:facepalm:


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Kada]
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Kada said:
Your really going to tell me that making a legitimate business to make money is greedy and it's ok to steal from them because you are greedy to? Your logic is so beyond fail that I am ashamed that people think that way.


Did I say making a business was greedy, or that Wal Mart was greedy? :strokebeard:


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
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Prisoner#1 said:
AntiEverything said:
2.) my point is that wal mart did not "work hard" to get where they are. they outsourced their labor to far less entitled people of other countries for literally slave wadges, entrenching these people in an endless cycle of poverty.



what's a slave wage in Malasia, what's a standard wage in Malasia

you're repeating rhetoric based on the guilt of the bleeding hearts,
walmart is just a company, there's nothing inherently evil about them,
what's evil is the fact that the world has a desire to posses crappy
products made in 3rd world countries by people that choose to work for
those companies and then decide to make up some bullshit about how all
companies are evil because they exploit the workers and keep the world
in poverty... I feel no shame for providing those people some kind of
income, an income they wouldnt have without my purchases, they'd still
be living in mud huts in the jungles, killing rats for food without walmart


you are making a huge error in assuming that without wal-mart these people would have no jobs. It is because of companies like wal-mart that these people have no room for growth. Wal-mart is cheating these people out of money they deserve, regardless of where they live. You are saying it is a good thing that the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.

Even if these people would be in poverty without wal-mart, it does not prove the virtuosity of outsourcing. you are still paying them far less than what their labor is truly worth. You are essentially stealing money from them, and according to your moral values, stealing in any instance would be wrong, well hey! here is a very prime example of theft, and not just theft, but slavery ta-boot.

Also im not saying that all companies are inherently evil, nice try with that straw man. I am saying that companies who steal and enslave are evil. The world never wanted crappy, cheap, goods and services at a cheap price, but wal-mart essentially forces those in America who are also in poverty to buy goods becuase they are CHEAPER. if you are poor and need a certain ammount of food, you will go for the cheaper products, basic logic here.

How can you place blame on the people? How can you say that its evil that the people wanted this? No the people didn't want it, but because we are fucking poor, we have no choice! It is an endless cycle of poverty/capitalism.

It is not liberal rhetoric that I am arguing here. you are trying to justify and even claim agency in theft and slavery, because if we weren't stealing and enslaving, then someone else would be? does that make it right?

"hey if i dont enslave these villagers, someone is gonna!!"


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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: shroommachine]
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Quote:
Shoplifting has a statistically insignificant impact on the profits of an evil corporation.


:lol: You don't even know what you are saying. You logic really is flawed to the max. Honest people pay 13 billion per year for shoplifters. Insignificant?

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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
psylox said:
i am trying to get people to think on a philosophical level


now we're on the philosophy of stealing, lol... there's nothing
philosophical about it, it's just theft because of greed


you need to re-evaluate your morals here.

okay lets count this out:

1.) stealing from poverty-stricken villagers is morally OK.
2.) stealing from greedy, money hungry corporations with billions of dollars that steal and enslave impoverished villagers, BAD.

you need to make a distinction between when stealing is right and when it is wrong, you are literally arguing in favor of both arguments here.


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You are at once
both
the quiet
and
the confusion
of my heart.
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Re: Is stealing from huge corporate retail stores (like Wal-mart) wrong, and if you have done it, how? [Re: Annom] * 4
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steal whatever the hell you can from wallmart. no one gives a shit. wallmart is worth more $$ than many countries on earth


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