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Serotonin Syndrome? Something else? Nothing?
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So, lets start from the beginning.
I've had numerous experiances with psychedelics and the like, I'll just focus on the ones that seem to be a concern.

My first concern starts with 2c-i. My fiance and I did a week or two binge on it (I know irrisponsible, we've gotton past it all). It didn't seem to do anything major besides make emotions unstable.

My next concern was mephedrone (4-MMC). I had three seperate binges, each high doses, up to 4000mg in a session to my self(EXTREMELY STUPID). I had severe vascoconstriction, shook uncontroulably after a couple doses.
After the last mephedrone binge, I've been really paranoid.
I'm more aware of my heartbeat, all the time. It seems to be alot faster. On mescaline, my heart was going 120BPM, on pot once it went 180bpm. That was months ago. Now, sometimes right before I fall asleep I shake a bit, I normally forget about it by morning. I randomly get muscle twitches (my ass alot). None of these symptoms are severe enough to really freak a person who hadn't done any drugs out, but yeah. Like, I'm in fear its something like serotonin syndrome or onset parkinsons or something and its progressing towards death. If the symptoms would stay as is, its no big deal.

Just now, I was about to fall asleep when I felt this wierd twitch right below my left nipple. It wasn't normally where I'd go to feel my heart beat, but the way my mind works is wierd, so I became convinced it was a heart flutter. I ran to the bathroom and checked the mirror and my pupils were dialating between big (like, MDMA big) and small (like opiate small) very rapidly, millisecond timing.
This scared me quite a bit, and I took my temperature and it was 96.0. This is kind of low for me.
I dunno.

I'm also a known hypocondriac, after mephedrone for about a month I had a habbit of checking my eyes to make sure they weren't yellow from jaundice.

So what do you guys think? Do I need to see a doctor? Is it just my mind?

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Re: Serotonin Syndrome? Something else? Nothing? [Re: yourtman]
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Whaw, calm down. First of all, serotonin syndrome is having toxic levels of serotonin in the brain, usually caused by prescription antidepressants and over the counter SSRIs, MAOIs, or specifically using something like MDMA which releases all the serotonin stores. What makes you think you have this? Going by what you've said I'd say you have something more like a first episode psychosis or even schizophrenia.


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Re: Serotonin Syndrome? Something else? Nothing? [Re: circastes]
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Why do you say schizophrenia?
That was a thought I was scared of for a while, because several onset schizo symptoms I have-- but then I realized everyone who trips the way I do pretty much does. I don't remember what the big one was called, but something about believing EVERYTHING is an external signal from the universe, God, or anything to tell you to do something or convey a message to you.

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Re: Serotonin Syndrome? Something else? Nothing? [Re: yourtman]
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Yep thinking you just glanced at a message from God/universe when a truck rolled by saying "Don't Overtake"... schizophrenia is probably on its way. I say schizophrenia because you said you were really paranoid, and getting paranoid sober after drug use usually only means one thing... and you have a bit of a (forgive me) reckless and perhaps anti-social attitude by dosing those amounts of drugs, not to mention the hypochondria which is a related state to schizophrenia - ie. compare "there is something wrong with my nipples" and "I am bugged".


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Re: Serotonin Syndrome? Something else? Nothing? [Re: circastes]
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I'm not a psychologist, or anything to be honest, but I think it's just your mind.

My advice would be to lay off the drugs and work at healing your psyche.
Be sure to get lots of rest, take supplements, eat healthy, and try to reason through your thoughts. 

Next time you get paranoid, pop a squat and meditate on it-first know that what you are thinking isn't true, then try to convince yourself of it.  Enough tries at this and you'll eventually begin to see a pattern and that it is all your mind.  At this point, it's easy to not have these paranoid thoughts.  Hell, even look up 'paranoia'.  You'll find a million stories exactly like yours.

Try to handle the hypochondria, which I see as just a subset of paranoia, in a similar way.  A big help for this would be to actually research whatever it is you think might be wrong with you (without looking at an 'other symptoms' list) and learn about it.  You'll see that you most likely don't have it.. when you go to look at the 'other symptoms' list you'll notice that you start to have those, too-this helps console the fact that it is just your mind.

I found meditation to be the key.  It can unlock the gate to (or state of) the healing of your psyche.  Even once a day for 15 minutes had great results (for me).
Research is another big player.  You obviously have access to the internet, use it wisely!
Kicking the drugs, though, is a must.  Even if you manage to heal your psyche, abusing the drugs is just going to revert it.  I'd say keep with sparse recreational drug use, but not until after you've gotten a hold of your mind.
Try making a plan.  Once you find something that works, stick with it.




I've had similar problems in both areas-and the above are some techniques I used to help control them.  An overview of what happened to me is below:

They first started occurring after extended drug abuse.. I began to notice that every time I would get fucked up I would get paranoid or think something was wrong with me.  I would ingest a drug, my heart rate would increase, I'd start to think that songs were about me, anxiety, and I'd start getting pains in my body.  Each time I'd convince myself that I was having a heart attack, stroke, serotonin syndrome, that I was on a TV show (being video taped), my chest would start hurting, etc.  A few deliriant trips increased these feelings significantly while intoxicated-which is a point at which I went to check my eyes often to see if they were yellow.  Hmm.. so far we've thought almost exactly the same!

For many reasons, I stopped my drug use.  I noticed that these negative thoughts and feelings carried over into my sober life for quite some time; this is where I decided they were just thoughts in my mind and that I needed to fix them.

I was on a path of bettering myself... I stopped taking hard drugs and took to tobacco, weed, and alcohol on occasion.  Smoking weed seemed to trigger these thoughts that I had been trying to overcome.  For the duration of the high, I would be extremely paranoid (even more-so than with harder drug use mixed with cannabis).  These feelings/thoughts would last for about half a day after I awoke the next morning, but would go away. 

I started smoking weed more regularly and noticed I was basically having a thought relapse.  The use of weed was recreating what happened as a result of my previous drug use.  I realized that the crazy was starting to carry over into my sober life again.  I focused on re-healing my psyche and becoming more healthy.  It worked quickly this time and this is when I knew it was the drugs messing with my mind.

I'm still bettering my psyche as I still get hypochondriac pains and thoughts from time to time.  The paranoia has been cut significantly-and even when I do have a paranoid thought it's easy to recognize.  Weed still induces these states of mind quite often, so I've cut back a lot and almost use weed now as a mental control test rather than a means to get fucked up.


^^ I know that is long but I figured it might help you, yourtman, realize that it does happen to a lot of people and only you can fix it.
I'm sure there are many who don't-and I probably wouldn't want to meet them.

Try to realize that you are your thoughts.

Hope this helped.


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