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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
MDMA is not a special chemical, it does not bring you closer to enlightenment, it does not open any door, it does not make life better, it does cause brain damage (give it time), it does cause long term mental issues, it is NOT magic.  Stop trying to sell MDMA as a newer version of LSD.  Its a selfish drug, not much different than methamphetamine or cocaine.  Not that I would tell people not to take it, but it doesn't improve you like psychedelics do.  I'm sick of all this "well its only a chemical" shit, LSD has the ability to make you a better person, MDMA won't do shit for you except make you feel like complete shit for a few days.  Fuck MDMA, eat more acid.  I do like MDMA, but I would never put it in the same category as LSD when it comes to being a chemical that can show you the meaning of life.  End of rant.



i can not say that i disagree with this.:strokebeard:

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #8]
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Anonymous #8 said:
MDMA is my drug of choice.  The come down is in proportion the amount of time I party and the amount that I do, so it's my choice in the end.

'E' is fucking useless.



MDMA and ecstasy are the same fucking thing.  You idiots are the same idiots that claim LSD and acid are not the same fucking thing.  Meth bombs weren't as popular when I started eating E, in the 90's and I've eaten tons of molly at festies.  I've done enough meth, amphetamine, MDA, and MDMA to be able to tell the difference.  Not to mention you used to be able to get a pretty good idea about what stamps were around via dancesafe and ecstasydata.

I have nothing against MDMA, I have something against people that claim MDMA is anymore special than cocaine or methamphetamine/amphetamines.  Its not a special chemical like LSD or mushrooms.  I'm sick of you faggots getting fucked up on it telling me how great it is, I'll eat acid 3 days straight and be glowing on day 4, you'll be assed out on day 2 wondering why you feel so empty.  Its because you got fucked up on an empty chemical and I ate gods gift to humanity.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #12]
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Anonymous #12 said:
You're a dumbass OP, real MDMA (not your bullshit street pills) was originally used in therapy.
That's where it's real talent lies, in breaking down barriers and allowing a person to feel comfortable talking about and feeling things they would never allow themselves to sober.

Also, if you've done it "over 200 times" then I guess you're calling yourself a tard huh?


:bucktoothfattygangsta: <-- OP at one of his faggot "raves"


Drugs dont make people stupid, STUPID PEOPLE DO DRUGS. You were a tard to begin with!

:themoreyouknow:



I'm sure heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine would work just as well.  Doesn't mean that they are special chemicals, just means your fucked up enough to not care.  I've told more people than I know that I loved them while rolling, didn't make it true.  Its a fun drug to a point, but its not much more than a recreational drug.  LSD/mushrooms will show you things as they should be, MDMA cannot and will not do that.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #1]
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can you consider that maybe not everyone gets the same effects you do?:rolleyes:
maybe mdma doesn't do much for you. don't do it

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #1]
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LOL

Keep believing "my drugs are better than yours".

In reality, whose to say which drug is more "godly" than any other, especially for others beyond yourself?
I guess you think you're special and important enough to do this?
Sounds like you have your panties in a wad because you lost the magic from doing it too much.
Well that's a big fucking shame! Now why don't you STFU and let the rest of us enjoy it?

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
I'll eat acid 3 days straight and be glowing on day 4, you'll be assed out on day 2 wondering why you feel so empty.  Its because you got fucked up on an empty chemical and I ate gods gift to humanity.




gods gift to humanity :curbyourenthusiasm:

everyone knows mdma and techno are gods gifts to humanity :rave:

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anon #1. Any form of spiritual, emotional, or mental enlightenment that you will EVER find in life is drawn solely upon your personal experiences. You do not have to be under the influence of ANY SUBSTANCE at all to have a spiritual experience. If you have taken MDMA or any other drug and found it useless spiritually, then you are simply not willing to learn the lessons that the drug has to teach you.

Or

You have already learned it and are unwilling to accept that you've grown as a person.

Or

You are abusing it.

/end rant

Edited by Anonymous (12/08/09 03:53 PM)

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #15]
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are you guys really suggesting that MDMA is better than acid?

mdma has done nothing but hurt the people who i know do it.

mdma is an illusion.

there is no benefit in continued use.

the lesson from MDMA is so simple that after a couple times many just do it for the feeling.

and after all that you wont even know what the lesson was.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #12]
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Anonymous #12 said:
LOL

Keep believing "my drugs are better than yours".

In reality, whose to say which drug is more "godly" than any other, especially for others beyond yourself?
I guess you think you're special and important enough to do this?
Sounds like you have your panties in a wad because you lost the magic from doing it too much.
Well that's a big fucking shame! Now why don't you STFU and let the rest of us enjoy it?




he is warning you.

i was at the same place as you once. wondering why people badmouth E.

well now i know after the emotional damage that i sustained from it.  The emotional progress made on E is not along the same lines as your sober self.  The positive push of the drug ensures that any decisions you make emotionally or rationally are uninformed silly decisions.

E is a party drug.  E can also be used medicinally.  But so can heroin and cocaine.  Just because psychologists figures out a good way to use E does not mean its good for your psychology.

E damages your brain function temporarily.  Anyone who doubts this needs to re-evaluate their relationship with the drug.  This temporary damage can have side effects that last much longer.  Just like when you make the wrong exit on the freeway, your one minute mistake leads  you on a 20 minute roundabout.

E is fun.  Thats about it.  Dont tell people they should not badmouth it. 

There is no magic.  Just an illusion.  Those who lost the magic just have awakened.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #1]
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MDMA does cause brain damage.  It can also kill through an allergic reaction.  More people are allergic to peanuts though, which is why MDMA is considered safer.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/docUploads/positronMDMA.pdf

Quote:
These data demonstrate that MDMA-induced neurodegeneration is related to both the dose and frequency of administration and indicate that damage to 5-HT neurones can occur in the absence of a hyperthermic response to the drug. We suggest that damage occurs when endogenous free radical scavenging mechanisms become overwhelmed or exhausted.



From Neuropharmacology Volume 37, Issue 7, July 1998, Pages 919-926

Now I definitely love MDMA, and take it occasionally.  But that doesn't mean it can't cause brain damage if used too frequently.

MDMA has many great uses.  Currently it's being used with success in several countries to treat PTSD.  It definitely doesn't have the entheogenic abilities of LSD, but some people can certainly benefit from it.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #16]
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Quote:
he is warning you.



What the fuck is this, DARE class?

Yeah and LSD damages your chromosomes, brah.

Better watch that shit! :dopefish:

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #12]
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Do you have proof?  I wasn't aware of that.

Quote:
What the fuck is this, DARE class?



People were claiming that MDMA does no damage to the brain.  That is misinformation.  I was correcting it.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #16]
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Actually the jury is still out... there's been no conclusive evidence, although some indications point to neurotoxicity.
And they came up with the same bullshit fearmongering in the 60's about LSD.. "It damages your chromosomes!" DUUR :tomatoface:

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #12]
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I haven't found any studies that show MDMA to have no neurotoxic effects.  Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

In the case of LSD causing chromosome damage:

Quote:
No significant work on carcinogenic potential of LSD has been reported so far. No cause-and-effect relation and no increase in the incidence of neoplasia among LSD users have been demonstrated. Case reports (three in 4.0 years) of leukemia and other neoplasia in this population are rare....

...The results of early chromosome studies suggested that true genetic damage might be a consequence of LSD exposure. The comprehensive evidence from studies on drosophila indicates no mutagenic effect from 0.28 to 500 µg of LSD per milliliter and a definite mutagenic effect from 2,000 to 10,000 µg/ml; this is consistent with a threshold response or a sigmoid dose-effect relation. We believe that LSD is, in fact, a weak mutagen, effective only in extremely high doses; it is unlikely to be mutagenic in any concentration used by human subjects....

...From our own work and from a review of the literature, we believe that pure LSD ingested in moderate doses does not damage chromosomes in vivo, does not cause detectable genetic damage, and is not a teratogen or a carcinogen in man. Within these bounds, therefore, we suggest that, other than during pregnancy, there is no present contraindication to the continued controlled experimental use of pure LSD.





http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/172/3982/431

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #12]
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haha, think what you will.

this is not dare this is where people share truthfull opinions.

you need to start listening to everything not just the stuff you want to hear.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #10]
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I take into account all of the studies that have been done, and like I said, there isn't any CONCLUSIVE proof that MDMA causes brain damage.

And even if it does, it's most likely only for extremely heavy/chronic usage.

ANYTHING in excess is toxic.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #12]
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you are fucking stupid.

E has negative consequences for a large percentage of users.

MDMA is not all gravy.

its risky business.  lots of experienced people will tell you that. 

piss off with the studies.  science is not being done on the brain, they dont even know how it works.

listen to people.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #12]
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Anonymous #12 said:
LOL

Keep believing "my drugs are better than yours".

In reality, whose to say which drug is more "godly" than any other, especially for others beyond yourself?
I guess you think you're special and important enough to do this?
Sounds like you have your panties in a wad because you lost the magic from doing it too much.
Well that's a big fucking shame! Now why don't you STFU and let the rest of us enjoy it?



Enjoy away, its a lot of fun.  So is nitrous oxide, ketamine, and alcohol.  None of those are drugs that are gonna make you a better person and open your 3rd eye.  Ketamine is more useful than MDMA though IMO.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #10]
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You need to take 5-HTP after using mdma if you want to recover quickly!

it makes a whole world of a difference, trust me.

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Re: Fuck MDMA(to all MDMA advocates) [Re: Anonymous #9]
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Anonymous #9 said:
You need to take 5-HTP after using mdma if you want to recover quickly!

it makes a whole world of a difference, trust me.




fucking noobs assuming others are too.

STFU.

you could also drink a shitload of milk or eat a fat red meat steak.

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