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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: Narttram]
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Narttram said:
To summarize for the OP:
If it tasted VERY bitter it was most likely not LSD.
If it took significantly longer than 60 minutes to kick in it was most likely not LSD.
If it lasted significantly longer than 12 hours it was most likely not LSD.
If it felt very "dirty" with strong headaches/cramps/dry heaving it was most likely not LSD (least reliable criterion).

None of these are 100% foolproof but you should be able to get a pretty good picture by observing these simple traits.
And pls everyone stop talking about that Black light nonsense, just for your information, normal paper glows blue when held under black light.
On another note from my personal experience RCs on blotter arent as common as people make them out to be, if there is no strong argument speaking AGAINST LSD (5 hour come up for example) it most probably was Acid.



OFT

I'm pretty sure there aren't any common RCs that are tasteless, so if it is tasteless and makes you trip, it is nearly 100% for sure acid. Same degree of assurance isn't present the other way around ('tastes bitter, therefore must NOT be acid' is not valid in the same way).


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
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these were all tastless and deff not L



the first  2w pics were the same chem
the 3rd was a diff  chem
dont know what any were but deff not L

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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: boomersrgreat420]
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just read the wwwhhhooolllleeee thread

so what made you think these tasteless papers were not L?
I really believe in the taste test. I have a good bit of acid and in my experience if it taste disgustingly bitter it is an RC. If it is tasteless then it is real LSD. I have never had blotter that was in between, not to say it doesn't exist, but as long as it is not disgustingly bitter I swallow. Not to say DOx are bad chemicals they just should not be passed off as LSD.

Im not an acid expert but 5 hours to kick in sounds ridicules BUT I have had a friend say the same thing.

I just hope who ever is laying it on blotter is thinking about our brains and not just chasing paper. Original acid production was not about money, they gave away more then they sold. If its not LSD on the paper I just hope its not some extremely toxic chemcials. I don't trust 2c-X or DOx and would be very upset if I was sold another hit of "acid" that turned out to be a 16 hour trip and 24 hours of being extremely cracked out.

HOWEVER during my last DOx trip (DOx sold as LSD) me and 10 friends dropped the exact same stuff. About 7 of us tripped for 14 hours and didn't fall asleep or think it was possible until 24 hours after ingestion. 3 friends said their tripped started coming down about 6 hours in and were asleep by 12. So duration really seems to vary from person to person even in the same setting with the same doses.

just my 2 cent

want real LSD make it urself
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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: clemens]
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clemens said:
I really believe in the taste test.



Too many variables are involved for taste to be an accurate confirmation of substance.  Paper, ink, solvents can all have tastes.  However the come up, peak and duration of LSD are very much a unique signature and are most likely your best indicators as to guess what substance you took.


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Edited by Cognitive_Shift (11/28/09 01:42 AM)

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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: clemens]
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clemens said:
just read the wwwhhhooolllleeee thread

so what made you think these tasteless papers were not L?

haha



body load and short trip for the first two the last one was really speedy and lasted about 14 hrs i thought the first ones were L for a while until i was reminded what L is like at the vibes scored WOW with black lines and all the hits that wernt L the  paper was thicker than the WOW the WOW was just as thick as printer paper

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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: boomersrgreat420]
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yeah come up and duration is better then taste. But if is tasteless its more likely to be LSD then if its disgustingly bitter. At least with all the shit im scoring here in FL.


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: clemens]
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clemens said:
if is tasteless its more likely to be LSD then if its disgustingly bitter



Once again.  Taste is a poor route of determining substance.  Lots of things have taste and lots of things are tasteless.  Just leave taste out of the equation, its extraneous.


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
clemens said:
if is tasteless its more likely to be LSD then if its disgustingly bitter



Once again.  Taste is a poor route of determining substance.  Lots of things have taste and lots of things are tasteless.  Just leave taste out of the equation, its extraneous.



Despite your odd prejudice against taste testing, it is an excellent way of differentiating between the two most common psychedelics sold on blotter: tho DOx series and LSD.

It is far from definitive, of course, but come up and duration involve just as wide a set of variables as the taste.

LSD can last up to 24 hours for some people. Not just mild after-effects, but full on tripping. On acid that is tasteless and causes everyone else to fall asleep at the twelve hour mark. Some of us are up a full twelve more hours, tripping hard.

The vast majority of prints are tasteless, and always have been... and anyone that is using a solvent that doesn't evaporate cleanly should not be laying acid.


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
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Personally I think it's sad when people have no clue what chemicals they are putting into themselves...

I probably shouldn't even post this because it sounds like im talking shit, but this is why I love shrooms and don't touch synthetics. Thousands of years of use in different cultures, and I know exactly what I'm getting every time.

So far the best thing I have read in this thread is the UV test.

A better test would be one of the below mentioned test kits:

http://www.testclear.com/LSD-Identification-Test-P39C10.aspx

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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
quote]LSD can last up to 24 hours for some people. Not just mild after-effects, but full on tripping. On acid that is tasteless and causes everyone else to fall asleep at the twelve hour mark. Some of us are up a full twelve more hours, tripping hard.quote]
ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
Cognitive_Shift said:
clemens said:
if is tasteless its more likely to be LSD then if its disgustingly bitter



Once again.  Taste is a poor route of determining substance.  Lots of things have taste and lots of things are tasteless.  Just leave taste out of the equation, its extraneous.



Despite your odd prejudice against taste testing, it is an excellent way of differentiating between the two most common psychedelics sold on blotter: tho DOx series and LSD.

It is far from definitive, of course, but come up and duration involve just as wide a set of variables as the taste.

LSD can last up to 24 hours for some people. Not just mild after-effects, but full on tripping. On acid that is tasteless and causes everyone else to fall asleep at the twelve hour mark. Some of us are up a full twelve more hours, tripping hard.

The vast majority of prints are tasteless, and always have been... and anyone that is using a solvent that doesn't evaporate cleanly should not be laying acid.



very very true

really the above post about a LSD testing field test is better at telling what the chemical is then we are.

MOST acid is tasteless tho, not trying to argue, but it is very true. The most potent, and clean LSD i have had was completely tasteless.


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
LSD can last up to 24 hours for some people. Not just mild after-effects, but full on tripping.



False statement.  A single recreational dose of LSD lasting 24 hours would defy all pharmacokinetic reasoning.

Edited by Cognitive_Shift (11/28/09 01:10 PM)

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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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People are obsessing with taste.  Get over it folks.  Some doses don't taste at all, some have a funky metallic bearly noticable kick.  If its overwhelmingly bitter then its most likely not LSD (however it could be the result of a bitterant in industrial solvent, unlikely but possible.)


To end the whole taste debate.
Quote:
In pure form LSD is a colourless, odourless, and mildly bitter solid.



Shulgin, Alexander; Shulgin, Ann (1991). "Burt". PiHKAL (1st ed.). Transform Press. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-9630096-0-9.


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
LSD can last up to 24 hours for some people. Not just mild after-effects, but full on tripping.



False statement.  A single recreational dose of LSD lasting 24 hours would defy all pharmacokinetic reasoning.




Don't tell me my experience is false. It's not as thought the pharmacokinetics of LSD are totally understood.

I ate that acid several times in the past, ending at twelve hours. ONE TIME it lasted entirely into the next day, and I was still tripping hard 20 hours later when I had to work.

That's what happened to me. Sorry...

Ever heard of a spontaneous mystical experience? You don't NEED drugs to keep tripping, your brain can facilitate any drug experience on its own.

This is why the only way to truly identify the substance on a blotter is with an objective test.


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
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Reo and Cog, you guys have been at it for quite awhile now, in a few different threads.

Let me clear some shit up.

On the taste test
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Stop thinking like a drug user, and start thinking like a drug maker. Just like any other chemical (2c-e HCl, Cocaine Acetate) LSD can have different salts, with the same potency. Though tartate is the most common, many other salts could be used. Thus changing the taste, proving Sasha wrong in his predictions.

Whether or not its the salt of tartaric acid, you cannot find out.

On duration
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Different drugs change different things. Once I read a thread on here were ambien and LSD mixed would cause massive trippage. I tried it, and it was proven to be true. I tripped so hard off of that, and for so long.

The thing is, combining anything with LSD can make it last longer/shorter. Whether you ate something with certain chemicals that affected your serotonin differently or not, only you would know.

But I can tell you this, there has been many many researchers who have proven that the human brain, acts EXACTLY the same no matter who is being studied while on LSD. Meaning, on LSD, my brain is active in the same parts as yours, though we trip differently. So a prolonged experience without the use of any other chemicals seems somewhat impossible.

Here are my subjective tests
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1. Test kit
2. UV light
3. Destroy the chemical on one hit, and take another from the same batch. (Example, you have two hits. Take one, expose it to 200+ degrees heat for 15 minutes. Eat it. You shouldn't trip, if you do, its probably not LSD. Take the next one a week later, to confirm that there is something on it.)(not very reliable)
4. Make your own god damn acid, if you did, you wouldn't have to worry about shit like this.


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: Agent MadHatter]
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Agent MadHatter said:
Reo and Cog, you guys have been at it for quite awhile now, in a few different threads.

Let me clear some shit up.

On the taste test
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Stop thinking like a drug user, and start thinking like a drug maker. Just like any other chemical (2c-e HCl, Cocaine Acetate) LSD can have different salts, with the same potency. Though tartate is the most common, many other salts could be used. Thus changing the taste, proving Sasha wrong in his predictions.

Whether or not its the salt of tartaric acid, you cannot find out.

On duration
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Different drugs change different things. Once I read a thread on here were ambien and LSD mixed would cause massive trippage. I tried it, and it was proven to be true. I tripped so hard off of that, and for so long.

The thing is, combining anything with LSD can make it last longer/shorter. Whether you ate something with certain chemicals that affected your serotonin differently or not, only you would know.

But I can tell you this, there has been many many researchers who have proven that the human brain, acts EXACTLY the same no matter who is being studied while on LSD. Meaning, on LSD, my brain is active in the same parts as yours, though we trip differently. So a prolonged experience without the use of any other chemicals seems somewhat impossible.

Here are my subjective tests
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1. Test kit
2. UV light
3. Destroy the chemical on one hit, and take another from the same batch. (Example, you have two hits. Take one, expose it to 200+ degrees heat for 15 minutes. Eat it. You shouldn't trip, if you do, its probably not LSD. Take the next one a week later, to confirm that there is something on it.)(not very reliable)
4. Make your own god damn acid, if you did, you wouldn't have to worry about shit like this.




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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
Don't tell me my experience is false. It's not as thought the pharmacokinetics of LSD are totally understood.



There is plenty of scientific data on the pharmacokinetics of LSD.

If you did trip for 24 hours then you didn't take LSD.  Period.


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Perhaps you're mis-recollecting the shape of a Gaussian distribution?

If he tripped how 24 hours, then in all probability he didn't take LSD. Which is VERY different from your claim that he "didn't take LSD.  Period."

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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
Don't tell me my experience is false. It's not as thought the pharmacokinetics of LSD are totally understood.



There is plenty of scientific data on the pharmacokinetics of LSD.

If you did trip for 24 hours then you didn't take LSD.  Period.



Yeah, you're probably right.

It was tasteless blotter that I took three hits of once and came down after twelve hours...

But yeah, since that one time I kept tripping long after everyone else, I guess that means it must not have been acid....

Even though I've had much longer than average trips on mushrooms and cactus.... the pharmacokinetics of LSD are so well understood that since one time I tripped for 24 hours it must not have been LSD. PERIOD

Stop being so martial about your opinions. Jesus, we can agree to disagree...


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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: Narttram]
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I took some L a while back, three sweet tarts.  The dots in the middle of the candy did glow blue under a blacklight.  It was some crap though, off of those three hits I had a bunch of mental chaos that took at least 2-3 hours to kick in.  No visuals, left in mouth dot side down on tongue, empty stomach.  Man what I'd do for some good acid around here!

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Re: How Are You Supposed To Know? [Re: abltsandwich]
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So does DOB or any Rc's not have a taste?

The best Acid I find tastes slightly metallic, and makes my mouth salviate a little bit. (4 tabs in held under tongue)

The last Acid I picked up (4 tabs) had no taste at all, and was terrible! Which is why I would like to know if any Rc's dont have a taste...


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