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Baby_Hitler
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: DieCommie]
#11135122 - 09/27/09 01:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Only if it's government salt.
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HighTek
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mushroomhunter10 said: I'm the idiot??
Yes.
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Asante
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: DieCommie]
#11136131 - 09/27/09 08:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is iodizing salt medicating the population forcefully too?
No
Because any well stocked supermarket or grocery store will have iodized and non-iodized salt for people tyo choose between.
Having fluoride available in salt optionally is a much more intelligent solution than dunking it in the water supply. Almost all that salt ends up in your mouth, mixing with saliva to generate locally elevated fluoride. And, people suspicous of fluoride can opt out.
The technology for adding additives to salt (iodides, anti caking agents) is well established.
Me, I brominate and lithiate my table salt. Whenever in a blue moon I buy a kilo bag of salt, I make a thorough mixing, adding 1 gram of pharmaceutical grade potassium bromide and 1 gram of pharmaceutical grade lithium carbonate. The salt, of course, is iodinated to begin with.
The bromination brings the Cl/Br ratio a lot closer to that of natural sea salt. The rock salt we eat has been bromide depleted to make a buck during manufacture. I don't think thats right, so I replenish it. In megadoses (which you shouldn't do) bromide has a marked mood stabilizing effect because of its interaction with chloride ion.
All the "sea salt" you buy in health food stores is the "washed" mineral depleted version, no better than processed rock salt. Talk about a ripoff! To test your "sea salt" make a clear solution and add a bit of a clear solution of sodium(bi)carbonate. If a massive white precipitate doesnt form (mostly basic magnesium carbonate) your high priced sea salt is in fact a ripoff. The salt we eat is "refined salt" which just like "refined sugar" and white flour is stripped of its natural companion molecules. With salt too, its done with profit, not your health in mind.
The lithiation I do, I do because my muncipial water supply is VERY low in lithium compared to world averages. I read results of a study sometime that higher natural lithium levels are associated with less psychological problems, less violence, less homicide and suicide in the population (dont have an internet source for that). Megadoses of lithium (which you shouldn't do) indeed have marked effects of mood stabilization. Lithium too works ionic, mimicking sometimes sodium, sometimes potassium. Lithium is eroding away from our landmasses. Today, its lower than its ever been in history.
So I'm not against additives per se, but they should be optional and rational.
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: Asante]
#11136177 - 09/27/09 08:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I only have one more topic I'd like to discuss further, since it is such an egregious and ridiculous coercive tactic: what evidence supports the case that Adolf Hitler used fluoridated water in any capacity?
I only ask because I cannot, for the life of me, find any legitimate historical resources with the terms hitler, fluroride OR fluoridation.
Notwithstanding the fact that even if Hitler did fluoridate water, it lends no legitimacy to the case in protest against fluoridation. Nearly every argument put forward by Mushroomhunter is riddled with fallacy.
Now, that being said, I commend you, Wiccan for forwarding an excellent ethical case against fluoridation. I lol'd about the lithium, btw. If the government wanted to use a better medication for controlling the minds of the masses, lithium would be a much better drug than fluoride.
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Asante
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: Minstrel]
#11136409 - 09/27/09 10:01 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The allegation is that the Nazis used fluoride in drinking water in concentration camps. If that can be proven and sourced, something is very fishy indeed, as concentration camp inmates were treated by the principle of "death by labor", restricting food etc to the bare minimum to get a reasonable amount of work out of them before their death, efficient to the genocide goals of Operation Reinhart, without too many retention of survivors.
If people are deliberately given a life span of several months, fluoridation against tooth decay would be essentially useless. There would likely be no beneficial dental decay and unchecked dental decay of any sort over several months would be of no concern to the "death by labor" process, even be a waste of resources.
About lithiation.. I'm not even kidding Ethically it would be another matter of course. I've punched it in google and voila:
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Lithium in drinking water may boost mood
LONDON, May 1 (UPI) -- Japanese researchers say low levels of lithium found naturally in some water systems may help prevent suicides.
A study at Oita University in Japan, published in the British Journal of Psychiatry, found natural lithium levels ranging from 0.7 micrograms to 59 micrograms per liter in 18 communities in southern Japan, The (London) Daily Telegraph reported Friday.
Researchers found the suicide rate was significantly lower in communities whose water contained larger amounts of lithium.
High doses of the naturally occurring metal are used to treat bipolar and mood disorders.
The findings have led some researchers to call for further study to consider the public health benefits of adding lithium to drinking water supplies, the newspaper said.
and of course the source:
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Lithium in drinking water and food, and risk of suicide Desai and Chaturvedi The British Journal of Psychiatry.2009; 195: 271
Can someone liberate that article? I'm VERY interested in reading that study.
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: Asante]
#11136665 - 09/27/09 11:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: ChuangTzu]
#11136695 - 09/27/09 11:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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In anticipation of your next request...
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Asante
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: ChuangTzu]
#11138032 - 09/27/09 04:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yay thanks
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HighTek
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: Asante]
#11141483 - 09/28/09 01:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think Xenu would approve of Lithium in the water systems. Hah.
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Re: Water Fluoridation [Re: HighTek]
#11164887 - 10/01/09 04:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I've been digging for credible online sources for information about what concerns me more than fluoride:
The treated sewage they put back into the water supply, and the prescription medication people flush away that doesn't quite fully get filtered out of said treated sewage water.
I've heard of books, seen news reports, read blogs about this.
I try to study things like fluoridation and the public water supply's quality.
Yet, when it comes down to it, even the ten-thousand-and-one jackasses with blogs pretending to have an ounce of journalistic integrity, making countless claims that a study has proved it all, and the youtube videos made by any old joe and claims of invisible, nameless doctors, who write many invisible journals to hundreds of invisible publications, do not accomplish a damn thing.
Research is so much more than a search engine and a few key terms.
I've tried diving deeper, but the clog of half-assed unverified information makes the real material nearly impossible to find.
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Edited by Wasteland (10/03/09 01:15 PM)
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