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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
Shroomism said:
who cares about healthcare I just want dental



I have never understood why dental coverage wasn't a part of your regular health coverage :confused:




because of Mississippi

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
niteowl said:
asking the question in Spanish was pointless



I saw it as making a point to exclude non-spanish speaking people



Or possibly to exercise his right of free speech as he sees fit as well as those rights under the 14th amendment.


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: meatcakeman]
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meatcakeman said:
Why do Americans have such animosity towards Spanish?



because we didnt migrate to mexico

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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PS: my teeth are a bundle of sparkly white, cavity-less goodness.


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
meatcakeman said:
Why do Americans have such animosity towards Spanish?



because we didnt migrate to mexico



Holdover from the Spanish-American war, that whole Zimmerman note thing... hell if I know.


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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Ferris said:
Prisoner#1 said:
niteowl said:
asking the question in Spanish was pointless



I saw it as making a point to exclude non-spanish speaking people



Or possibly to exercise his right of free speech as he sees fit as well as those rights under the 14th amendment.




he was exercising it pretty well in english until he decided to exclude the non spanish speakers

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
he was exercising it pretty well in english until he decided to exclude the non spanish speakers



That's the thing with free speech, you don't have to say what others think you should say, nor does it have to be particularly convenient.

Ya, you can have a political opinion about the president, so long as you stick to talking about how much you love him.


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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It seems they were angry because they couldn't understand the question because it was in Spanish. Their response, however, was completely unjustified. Even if the pastor could speak English, if he was able to articulate it better in Spanish then its his choice.

It is obvious the representative would say what he said in Spanish before answering the question. As a nation that was founded by immigrants, people are damn hostile.

My family came to the US in 1630, and my ancestors fought for independence, so I find it kind of funny seeing animosity towards immigrants from "other immigrants" in the present day. Every single group of immigrants was hated at some time (Irish, Italians, Germans...), and now its just the spanish-speakers. Eventually they learn to live and let live.

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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well it appears the official language for Connecticut is in fact english

I'm glad those law abiding citizens decided to hold the preacher to the law

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Green_T]
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Green_T said:
My family came to the US in 1630, and my ancestors fought for independence, so I find it kind of funny seeing animosity towards immigrants from "other immigrants" in the present day. Every single group of immigrants was hated at some time (Irish, Italians, Germans...), and now its just the spanish-speakers. Eventually they learn to live and let live.



The anger spawns from the US government pandering to spanish speaking people.

going out of their way to appease these tards that refuse to learn the local language

:crankey:


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: niteowl]
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^ It is kind of a tricky situation. After slavery was abolished, blacks were denied rights and education, and as a result had very little social mobility. This in itself causes problems. I don't think you'd have the same kind of inner city problems and demographics had there been equal opportunity for blacks from the very beginning.

I think the government doesn't want to make the same mistake again.

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
well it appears the official language for Connecticut is in fact english

I'm glad those law abiding citizens decided to hold the preacher to the law



The "law" is limited to the point of being non-existent and is pretty much purely symbolic.  If it applied in this circumstance, it would certainly be unconstitutional.  Even as is, it's still questionably constitutional.


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Green_T]
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Please.

There is a huge difference between slaves and immigrants

Mexicans coming here to exploit our economy for 5-8 years only to go back to Mexico. The majority of money they make goes back to Mexico. None of them learn the language, because the don't have to. Our government makes it too easy for them to come here, make some money and go back.

This hurts our economy in the long run, and most Americans are aware of it.

That is why people get so mad at Mexicans that shove their language down our throat

:megacrankey:


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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Ferris said:
Prisoner#1 said:
well it appears the official language for Connecticut is in fact english

I'm glad those law abiding citizens decided to hold the preacher to the law



The "law" is limited to the point of being non-existent and is pretty much purely symbolic.  If it applied in this circumstance, it would certainly be unconstitutional.  Even as is, it's still questionably constitutional.




the law is the law and until the supreme court rules it
unconstitutuional it's not, no one is preventing people from speaking
spanish but in handling political affairs, state business, etc it starts
excluding the majority to pander to the minority, should we start
writing all the laws in latin since latin is a large part of legal speak

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
the law is the law and until the supreme court rules it
unconstitutuional it's not, no one is preventing people from speaking
spanish but in handling political affairs, state business, etc it starts
excluding the majority to pander to the minority, should we start
writing all the laws in latin since latin is a large part of legal speak



And you don't know the law then if you think that "official language" means what you seem to think it means, which it doesn't at all here.

I've shown where the SCOTUS ruled your interpretation unconstitutional already (last link).


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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Ferris said:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-974.ZS.html



state constitution

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/const/28/2.htm

2. Official language of Arizona

Section 2. The official language of the state of Arizona is English.

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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Ferris said:
Prisoner#1 said:
the law is the law and until the supreme court rules it
unconstitutuional it's not, no one is preventing people from speaking
spanish but in handling political affairs, state business, etc it starts
excluding the majority to pander to the minority, should we start
writing all the laws in latin since latin is a large part of legal speak



And you don't know the law then if you think that "official language" means what you seem to think it means, which it doesn't at all here.

I've shown where the SCOTUS ruled your interpretation unconstitutional already (last link).



you showed a case from 1997, in 2006 it was entered into the state
constitution that english is the official language of the state of
arizona

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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
you showed a case from 1997, in 2006 it was entered into the state
constitution that english is the official language of the state of
arizona



You're taking it too literally.  It's been excluded from being applied in almost every context.


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Re: Town Hall Crowd Jeers Pastor Who Asks Question in Spanish [Re: Ferris]
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Here, I pulled up the whole text, which clearly limits it to government business.  Much of this too is not practiced because it conflicts with existing federal law requiring multiple languages on ballots, etc, depending on the district.

Hint, everything but 3(a) is meaningless semantics.

Quote:
1. English as the official language; applicability

Section 1. (1) The English language is the official language of the state of Arizona.

(2) As the official language of this state, the English language is the language of the ballot, the public schools and all government functions and actions.

(3)(a) This article applies to:

(i) The legislative, executive and judicial branches of government.

(ii) All political subdivisions, departments, agencies, organizations, and instrumentalities of this state, including local governments and municipalities.

(iii) All statutes, ordinances, rules, orders, programs and policies.

(iv) All government officials and employees during the performance of government business.

(b) As used in this article, the phrase "this state and all political subdivisions of this state" shall include every entity, person, action or item described in this section, as appropriate to the circumstances.



http://law.justia.com/arizona/constitution/28/1.htm


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