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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: DieCommie]
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Qubit said:
The former, absolutely.  The latter, I would guess no but obviously cant be certain.



The vast majority of higher level mathematicians do not use drugs or alcohol while conducting their most important work.  That is not to say they don't use, but it's not the rule.

When groundbreaking work is done, it is almost to the exclusion of all else, including eating, sleeping, bathing, social interaction, etc.

No, most advanced mathematical concepts DID NOT come from drugs.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: UpSwell]
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But in the 1800s, when hyperspace was mathematically developed, taking drugs was more accepted among the elite.  But I agree, most advanced mathematical concepts did not come from drugs.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: pfxtc]
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pfxtc said:
I fail to see the "WOW" factor of these video's,

sure it's plausible, but we'll never know, and it's quite useless "information" - if you can even call it that, it's all pretty much baseless speculation. Just my view.



You are reacting the way I react to 'philosophy'.  And this type of science is almost at the realm of philosophy.

The difference is that in 'hard science', you can eventually expect some type of practical application.  Not in your lifetime maybe.

'Philosophers' produce nothing but more philosophy.  :yawn:

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Furthermore, science does not push the boundaries back of the unknown. It actually makes the unknown universe much more vast. For every question you answer in science, you reveal that there are 100 more waiting for you that you did not even think to ask before you found the answer.



The fact that we were too ignorant to even know what questions to ask shows how science pushes back boundaries.  Instead of asking what the sun is made of we know ask what is dark matter - thats a boundary of the unknown pushed back. 

The notion that somehow there are more unanswered questions now than in the past is ridiculous.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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supernovasky said:
I feel like science takes over spirituality in finding what makes things operate and work the way they do.



We agree.

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Furthermore, science does not push the boundaries back of the unknown.



If it doesn't do that, it's not science.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: DieCommie]
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Qubit said:


The notion that somehow there are more unanswered questions now than in the past is ridiculous.



I think I see what you're saying.  We've come a long way out of superstition and assumption.  There probably are actually 'more' questions out there now, but the basics have been covered.  Science now will be the pursuit of tiny details merging into a bigger picture.

Stephen Hawking will not be unifying anything, and neither will anyone else, for a long long time.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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supernovasky said:
Science is the best thing that ever happened to spirituality.



I agree with everything you say until you throw this in there :lol:

How about this:


2,000 years ago, the average man woke up, worked and hunted, and went to bed with spirituality.  His life revolved around spirituality (religion, prayer, etc.)

Today, most people don't give one thought to spirituality at all.

Now, if you are pursuing science as a spiritual quest, then yeah, you live in the best times.

But I say, overall, there's no question 'spirituality' in the sense most people interact with it, has been attenuated significantly by the scientific process.

I mean people still pray their car starts on a cold morning and whatnot, but it's not the same has praying for your family to eat or contacting another realm to heal sickness.

There's no question about that and I find it hard to believe that someone won't acknowledge it.  :confused:

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: UpSwell]
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Maybe you two have different understandings of the word spiritual.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: Sventington]
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I think spiritual necessarily deals with spirits (of the non-alcoholic type :wink:).  Often times what people around here consider 'spirituality' I consider 'philosophy'.  Its tough to discuss when each person uses their own person definitions.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: DieCommie]
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Qubit said:
I think spiritual necessarily deals with spirits (of the non-alcoholic type :wink:).



Not "spirits."  Spirit with a capital "S."  As in, the ultimate Self beyond self.  Spirituality deals with interiority while science deals with exteriority.


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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: DieCommie]
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I guess when I hear spirit I think of people talking about "the spirit of things". You've probably heard the term "get in the spirit of things" when dealing with an event where you're supposed to feel and act in a certain kind of way.

When that's expanded on, I guess spirituality can mean a lot of things if it purely deals with feelings. Maybe for some it's just a sense of awe and reverence felt towards the Universe and all the neat little things that are going on within it.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: Silversoul]
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that is really amazing! i enjoyed, thanks super! :thumbup:

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Spirituality deals with interiority while science deals with exteriority.



There is actually a lot of 'interiority' that has been explained by science.  Basic brain chemistry has only been understood for some decades, and treatments/applications for only a couple of decades.

But being on a modern regimen of phsyciatric drugs is now blase, and it WILL change your view on the world and how you interact with it on the most basic level.  This formerly was purely the realm of the spiritual.

I just can't let it go :lol:

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: UpSwell]
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UpSwell said:
Silversoul said:
Spirituality deals with interiority while science deals with exteriority.



There is actually a lot of 'interiority' that has been explained by science.  Basic brain chemistry has only been understood for some decades, and treatments/applications for only a couple of decades.



That's not interiority.  That's the exterior correlates of interior experiences.  No observation of brain synapses will ever tell you what the actual interior experience is like.


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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: Silversoul]
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I see.  Well, science has given us aircraft but no examination of an airplane will tell you what flying will be like.

I disagree to a point.  Advanced medical imaging can tell you what portions of the brain are engaged and so give a reasonable explanation of what the person is feeling at any given time. 

But sure, if you narrow down spirituality to merely a definition of experience, then I guess you have a point.

I also think that there will come a day when science will be able to produce ANY inner experience you would like to have.  Through a combination of electronic and chemical manipulation, anything is possible.  In fact that's not really a matter of science as it is of applied technology.

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Re: Parallel Universes... a VERY trippy, mind-blowing video [Re: Silversoul]
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The human experience.  (Or more generally, the conscious experience.)  I would think of that as philosophy rather than spirituality.  But regardless of semantics I agree it is not and likely never will be explorable within the realm of science.  By the same token science will likely always be the best method for exploring everything but the human/conscious experience.

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