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tobacco
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i relapsed today. i have not smoked for 6 days and the first thing i did after drinking a beer was buy a pack of smokes.  what can i do to not smoke while drinking?  im tired of failing.  this is the 3rd time in 2 months ive done this. does anyone have any tips. maybe things you have done to overcome this problem.  the only thing i can think of is to quit drinking as well but i dont think i have a drinking problem. my will power just seems to go out the window when i drink.. i think i will flush my smokes. that will take care of tonight but what do i do next time i drink?


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Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?
o Henry Ford

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Re: tobacco [Re: trscstghst]
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just look into all of the nasty shit it does to you. whenever i do enough research about something i either turn to embrace it or throw it out the window

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Re: tobacco [Re: Dutchbrewed]
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i find it funny how people become addictive to things such as tobacco , alcohol or marijuana
i smoked marijuana for 2 months str8 everyday one day i woke up and said bahhh no more weed for a few years,  didnt smoke for 3 years
didnt use 1 single drug , not even alcohol now im smoking again but soon will quit for some months or years
tobacco is nasty shit. HORRIBLE

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Re: tobacco [Re: ravenshield420]
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yeah i quit smokin weed no problem too and ive quit smoking cigs for 4 years one time and started again. now it seems like it is 100x harder to quit the second time around.


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Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?
o Henry Ford

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Re: tobacco [Re: ravenshield420]
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Just think about it logically. You feel the need for a cigarette when your brain's nicotene levels deplete, so you light one up. After four drags you've technically had enough to satisfy the craving, the rest of the smoke is just pumping more in, which creates a bit of a temporary high thats the stimulant effect of having a smoke. Then you nicotene levels go down until the need for the next one.

All your doing is paying money to bring yourself back to baseline. After a period of not smoking your brain no longer need the excess nicotene, and you feel normal and happy without the chemical being so dominant in your thoughts. It's an unnecessary and illogical vice that's only killing you and putting money in some heartless corporation's pockets and out of yours.


That seems rather silly doesn't it?


Just don't drink for a few weeks or even months if necessary. And remember that even when you cave and smoke, you can start quitting again immediately after that smoke. Once you go a few days without and then have one it won't even be palatable, your lungs will feel like shit compared to not smoking and the desire will eventually decrease.

Take it a day at a time, and lay off the other substances that are conducive to caving into this stupid and wasteful addiction.


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Re: tobacco [Re: Dutchbrewed]
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Dutchbrewed said:
just look into all of the nasty shit it does to you. whenever i do enough research about something i either turn to embrace it or throw it out the window


i feel ya dude but addiction is a motherfucker.  trust me i know all to well what smoking can do to you. that doesnt seem to help though.  when i quit the first time it was because my uncle had just died at the age of 44 due to smoking related heart problems.


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Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?
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Re: tobacco [Re: DarkMoon21]
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DarkMoon21 said:
Just think about it logically. You feel the need for a cigarette when your brain's nicotene levels deplete, so you light one up. After four drags you've technically had enough to satisfy the craving, the rest of the smoke is just pumping more in, which creates a bit of a temporary high thats the stimulant effect of having a smoke. Then you nicotene levels go down until the need for the next one.

All your doing is paying money to bring yourself back to baseline. After a period of not smoking your brain no longer need the excess nicotene, and you feel normal and happy without the chemical being so dominant in your thoughts. It's an unnecessary and illogical vice that's only killing you and putting money in some heartless corporation's pockets and out of yours.


That seems rather silly doesn't it?


Just don't drink for a few weeks or even months if necessary. And remember that even when you cave and smoke, you can start quitting again immediately after that smoke. Once you go a few days without and then have one it won't even be palatable, your lungs will feel like shit compared to not smoking and the desire will eventually decrease.

Take it a day at a time, and lay off the other substances that are conducive to caving into this stupid and wasteful addiction.




that makes sense i guess i will not drink until i feel that im out of the "danger zone" of relapse


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Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?
o Henry Ford

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Re: tobacco [Re: trscstghst]
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Relapse is a part of giving up, it's no indication of failure. To only relapse 3 times in 2 months is great work, as long as you get back on the plan and don't let a relapse be an "excuse" to give up quitting.. then there's no problem.


A few suggestions...

Visualisation techniques: Before you go out, give yourself 10 minutes to do this exercise. Vividly imagine yourself out drinking, maybe with a drink in your hand, feeling the buzz from the alcohol and a little inhibited, hearing yourself, friends and other people having a good time, etc, etc. Imagine someone offering you a cigarette and then seeing yourself emphatically saying "No thanks, I don't smoke!", laughing and not thinking twice about it. Repeat this over and over again for 10 minutes. If you have any doubting thoughts come into your mind as you do this process, just notice them, say "Hi" to them and thank them for their concern, and keep continuing with the exercise. Eventually you'll notice the doubts diminish and disappear entirely. And then your confidence and conviction to be a non-smoker increasing.

If then contingencies: Sit down with a pen and paper and write down 'if then contingencies' for dealing with being offered cigarettes when you're out. In other words...
'If' someone offers you a cigarette, 'then' you'll do/say 'X'.
'If' you feel like you might want a cigarette when you're out, 'then' you'll do/say 'X'.
'If' you did have a cigarette, 'then' you'll do/say 'X'.
I'll leave it up to you to decide what 'X' is, but write out as many different contingencies as you can think about that all go in the direction of you succeeding at being a non-smoker.

Behavioural experiments: Be a scientist and go out and purposefully tempt yourself to smoke, but with an intention to observe the process and not judge it. Make mental notes of what things temped you more or less, what things did you do in response, did anything you do reduce or amplify the temptations. Keep record each time you go out and compare the results over time.

Compulsion blowout:  This technique habituates a compulsion so that it doesn't have the same effect anymore. When feelings habituate, they don't have the same effect over your motivations as they once did. It can take anything between 5 to 20 minutes. Warning, reading this might initially make you feel like having a cigarette. Once you start this process, it has to be continued until you feel the craving "pop". Here's how to do it... Imagine yourself out last night, just before you had a smoke, imagine that moment when you really really craved a smoke. Now focus on the sensations of craving you felt, and focus on thoughts you had that amplified your desire to smoke. Now focusing on these feelings/thoughts of intense craving, feel and let them amplify, really sink into feeling that craving strongly, so you feel like you want a cigarette even more, and continue amplifying these feelings so that the more you amply them the more you crave a smoke. Now, continue amplifying the craving, amplifying the desire to smoke, spinning the feelings, so that every fibre of your being really wants to smoke. Keep this going for as long as you can until you feel the compulsion "break", and the feelings to smoke don't mean much to you any longer. At the end test it by thinking about wanting a smoke, if you feel like you want a smoke, then you're not finished yet, repeat the process again. If you feel like you couldn't be bothered wanting a cigarette, then you're done. This process is especially useful at the time when you're out and if you felt a craving. You could go to the toilets and do the process in 5 minutes to combat any cravings.

Remind yourself of your goals to quit: Work out why you wanted to quit, what does it get you, what are you missing out on by not quitting, etc. Then set up a reminder ahead of time so that when you're out and being tempted to smoke, you are then also reminded why you want not to smoke and what you'd be giving up or missing out on if you did smoke. Perhaps writing something on your hand or even imagine yourself in the future reminding yourself when your out drinking why it is important to you to be a non-smoker and what you'd be losing if you smoked again. Or something like that.. this one looks at your motivations for not smoking.


Hope this helps. All the best with it.
:peace:


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Re: tobacco [Re: Mufungo]
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thanks dude. these teks seem like they would be helpful (i think i might have actually employed that last one by accident the 1st time i quit) i will give them a try tomorrow.  my buddy is supposed to bring over some beer. as for tonight I'm pretty inebriated and I'm going to smoke.


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Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?
o Henry Ford

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Re: tobacco [Re: trscstghst]
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by the way how many posts do i have to have before im no longer a stranger?


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Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?
o Henry Ford

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Re: tobacco [Re: trscstghst]
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I don't know. But if you want to change your title 'stranger', you can do that yourself through your account settings.


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Re: tobacco [Re: Mufungo]
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I found that the only time I didn't want to smoke was after I had worked out or done something physically demanding. The worst thing to do is go to the bar. What I finally had to do was every time I really wanted a smoke I would do push ups or situps, or beat on my punching bag. This seemed to help with the anxiety. The hardest part was not smoking while driving. I bought a pair of hand grippers and everytime I needed a smoke in the car I would do them until the urge went away.

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Re: tobacco [Re: trscstghst]
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the only tobacco I smoke is hookah... molasses tends to be a lot more forgiving than nicotine or tar. and although man say it is like smoking 100 cigarettes or whatever, this does not account for the sugars your body ends up using and the only more destructive thing is the amount of smoke you are inhaling, but good physical health will bring this back as well

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Re: tobacco [Re: Dutchbrewed]
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that's always hard for me too. almost a year now for me, and whenever I drink, when I get the craving, I will just do something little to take my mind off it. Go linger with someone, play a game of pong, take a piss. Any little thing, the cravings only last a minute or so, so after that you will be fine. It just lasts for what seems an eternity.


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Quit smoking cigarettes August 23rd, 2008.

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Re: tobacco [Re: trscstghst]
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You might want to check out some nicotine gum. It will satisfy the craving, but doesn't provide the same rush. And, you don't feel increased cravings the next day.

If your habit is on again, off again, I would suggest chewing the gum through a whole 12 week cycle. It is the only thing that helped me to quit. Near the end of the cycle, I was forgetting to chew gum.


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Re: tobacco [Re: Dutchbrewed]
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Dutchbrewed said:
the only tobacco I smoke is hookah... molasses tends to be a lot more forgiving than nicotine or tar. and although man say it is like smoking 100 cigarettes or whatever, this does not account for the sugars your body ends up using and the only more destructive thing is the amount of smoke you are inhaling, but good physical health will bring this back as well


Do what? Hookah smoke generally has TONS of nicotine. Ever wonder where that buzz is coming from?

By the way, I had a jar of hookah tobacco one time that said something to the effect of "This product contains 0% tar." Well guess what, while that is technically true BEFORE you light the tobacco, once you light that thing up - THAT'S when the tar gets produced.

Just a warning. Even hookahs can be deceiving. After having mine for awhile and noticing that I was coughing a lot and generally feeling like shit after using it, I threw that thing in the dumpster. Never looked back on that one.


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i always seem to want to shout your eyes are like a cup of tea, ascend into the sun with me...

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Re: tobacco [Re: AquaKet]
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hmmmm... that is very interesting. Well I just took a gander at the box and had the 0%'s on nicotine and tar. This is very interesting. I guess I am misinformed and glad I do not do it TOO often. yeah most hookahs burn the throat and give an awful case of the coughs, but my setup generally doesn't. Cant tell you why or how, but i wont complain

thanks broseph

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Re: tobacco [Re: Dutchbrewed]
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i don't smoke cigs, but hookah is nice once every month or so


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Quit smoking cigarettes August 23rd, 2008.

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