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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
The global health care industry was valued at US$4.34 trillion or 10.07% of global gross domestic product in 2005." This speaks for itself, especially when you consider this being only the manufacturing of the pills



global health care covers the manufacture of machinery,
instruments, services, etc... not just pills

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The argument that its a contrail does not add up. Contrails do not last for extended periods of time, as do these clouds found in Germany. Isnt this obvious ? Do you honestly think that these meteorologists would not somehow know this type of logical induction. Are you claiming that they are being fooled by something that they have technical training to not be misguided on?



Ford Motos and General Motors are in the same industry. Swing Swing, Touche'.

Your argument is weak, prisoner, it looks like your warden is gonna lock you up for a while until you can come up with better arguments. In fact, the argument that they stay longer than normal is weaker than I thought. One day in BC I was looking at a clear sky, only to see a big straight cloud in the sky. I was shcoked when I realized that there was not ONE cloud in site AND that the cloud was ODDLY rectangular, of the likes I have never seen. Another thing that I noticed was that although it looks at first like a normal contrail, I ruled this out when I recognized that the trail was equally as Thick, in size at both ends, showing me that it could not be a contrail, in so far as contrails, are more dispersed at their end and progress to be thicker as they get closer to where the plane last flew over.  THE THIRD reason this could not be a contrail, was for two reasons, there was not enough condensation to make it last longer than a normal contrail, it was a dry sunny day RARE in BC, but FOUND AND get this, it lasted for over 2 hours( I stopped checking after lunch)

Touche' Prisoner # 1 My dueling skills are sharpening and your already sharp sword has met its match. Care to explain this with your theory( The warden shows Prisoner # 1 the back room key, awaiting his response before he lets his above average friends, have him to delight.

Lol I luve this.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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im covered in nano-bots,, get em off me, get em off me.. :laugh:


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
The argument that its a contrail does not add up. Contrails do not last for extended periods of time, as do these clouds found in Germany. Isnt this obvious ? Do you honestly think that these meteorologists would not somehow know this type of logical induction.



incorrect, contrails can last quite some tiem, as I've
repeatedly stated, atmospheric conditions are the largest
factor, earlier int he thread I mentioned that a distance in
altitude of as little as 100 feet can be the difference in a
10mph wind and a 100mph wind, strange but true

have these meteorologist gone up and taken air quality samples?





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Ford Motos and General Motors are in the same industry. Swing Swing, Touche'.



yes, that they are just as Exxon, Valero Energy, Chevron,
Conoco/Phillips and Shell are all in the energy industry while
AIG, Citigroup, Bank of America, Berkshire Hathaway, J.P. Morgan
Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs are all financial industry,
remarkably enough, financial is the largest money maker that
produces absolutely nothing... 'cept maybe debt





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Another thing that I noticed was that although it looks at first like a normal contrail, I ruled this out when I recognized that the trail was equally as Thick, in size at both ends, showing me that it could not be a contrail, in so far as contrails, are more dispersed at their end and progress to be thicker as they get closer to where the plane last flew over.  THE THIRD reason this could not be a contrail, was for two reasons, there was not enough condensation to make it last longer than a normal contrail, it was a dry sunny day RARE in BC, but FOUND AND get this, it lasted for over 2 hours( I stopped checking after lunch)




um, yeah so there you were cruising at 20k feet and over your
head you noticed something odd, you went up higher and found it
to be rectangular, did a humidity reading, checked yourself for
condensation and still forgot to do an air quality sample,
imagine that... didnt happen to check the wind speed while you
were there did you? you know, while you were 20k feel above the ground

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I agree that we need to know this. However you did not comment on the fact that IF this was a contrail and even if the humidity was at a level where it needs to be to sustain it for hours, why does it abruptly begin at a specific point and abruptly end at another? Surely if this was a contrail and the conditions nessecary to make a contrail were apparent, why does it, again, not have the bloddy shape of one...Swings his sword, prisoners direction, aims for his chest, awaits his response.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Is it just me or do the people who believe in chemtrails, when asked for proof, quickly shift the burden of proof to others and ask "Well prove that they aren't real?"

I say to you chemtrail believers, show us actual evidence, perhaps as Pris suggested, someone going up and taking samples. Until then, I have no reason to believe in this retarded conspiracy


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: learningtofly]
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so your saying you believe its not a chemtrail....prove it.:smilingpuppy:


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
I agree that we need to know this. However you did not comment on the fact that IF this was a contrail and even if the humidity was at a level where it needs to be to sustain it for hours, why does it abruptly begin at a specific point and abruptly end at another? Surely if this was a contrail and the conditions nessecary to make a contrail were apparent, why does it, again, not have the bloddy shape of one...Swings his sword, prisoners direction, aims for his chest, awaits his response.





understand that neither of us can comment on something that's
10k-30k feet in the air, I cant tell you what the humidity is at
500 feet because I dont have anything that can give any details
above 32 feet since that's as high as my ladder reaches just as
you cant tell with the naked eye what the windspeed, temperature
or anything else, if it's 60F at sealevel it can be below -5 at
20k feet, plenty of chance for ice crystals to form, what's the
wind speed? well how will we ever know, we do know that theres
less wind above the troposphere which could account for slow
dissipation

do a little research into actual science


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
To all those skeptical about why noone has gone up to test them, Germany is a country that already has. Here is a live broadcast from a news station in Germany from a few years ago.



Subtitles are apparent, images act as obvious connections to what they speak about and the music reeks of potential cover up.

Facts are facts, the proof is seems to be apparent in the pouding, skeptics please lock and load, this one is making me feel uncomfortable.




how can i even know that that is a real german tv show?

sry but a link to a youtube video is nothing in my opinion.  that could be anything...i dont even know german so that technically could be a real german tv show that someone just added all the text to.  probably not, but there is nothing to say for sure so how can i know?


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: usefulidiot13]
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what's important to understand  with all of it is they ignore the
most important details, altitude, temperatures, wind, humidity,
all things they cant gauge from the ground so they just make the
assumption that conditions there are the same as the surface or
that all planes fly at the same altitude so when one set vanishes
fast and another slow it's instantly got to be something sinister
regardless of whether the conditions are different with an extra
10k feet of altitude

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: learningtofly]
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Ok I'll bite. I'm not partial one way or the other but I decided to do a little research.
So a quick google search turned up a few interesting things.
On the surface "geoengineering" appears to be a series of methods aimed at diverting or reducing "global warming". But it goes quite a bit deeper than that, and 'chemtrails' seem to be only one of many methods employed.

Weather as a Force Multiplier:Owning the Weather in 2025 - A large study of geoengineering technologies by the US Air Force. This study shows that our government and military have invested enormous amounts of time and money developing the military aspects of this technology. Intentional weather and climate modification is apparently a big interest of theirs for future use especially in warfare.

Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base - Panel on Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming - sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine. The results were presented in 1992 and published in book form in 2000 by the National Academy Press. This 994 page study is the textbook on greenhouse gasses, global warming, policy decisions and mitigation's (corrective measures). Included within is the hard science many chemtrails researchers have been searching for: the scientists, agencies, institutions and corporations involved, cost factors, chemical formula, mathematical modeling, delivery methods, policies, recruiting of foreign governments, acquisition of materials, and the manufacturing of aerosol compounds, ect.

GEOENGINEERING: A CLIMATE CHANGE MANHATTAN PROJECT - published in the Stanford Environmental Law Journal, January, 1998. Outlines a wealth of 'mitigations' proposed to geoengineering the planet and many of the methods proposed.

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The author makes a very convincing case for the pressing need of undertaking geoengineering projects. He argues that regulation, environmental laws and other stumbling blocks limit our ability to directly address the dangers that threaten us directly and immediately. He writes: "The projected insufficiency of Kyoto's emission reduction regime, and the problems of absence, cost, and incentives discussed in part II, cry out for an alternative to our present state of climate change policy myopia."

"Geoengineering--intentional, human-directed manipulation of the Earth's climatic systems--may be such an alternative. This part proposes that, unlike a regulatory "Marshall Plan" of costly emissions reductions, technology subsidies, and other mitigation measures, a non-regulatory "Manhattan Project" geared toward developing feasible geoengineering remedies for climate change can meaningfully close the gaps in global warming and avert many of its most dire consequences."

"In some ways, this phase has already begun, as geoengineering has moved from the pages of science fiction to respectable scientific and policy journals. [FN127] One of the most encouraging proposals today focuses on the creation of vast carbon sinks by artificially stimulating phytoplankton growth with iron "fertilizer" in parts of the Earth's oceans. [FN128] Another proposal suggests creating miniature, *106 artificial "Mount Pinatubos" by allowing airplanes to release dust particles into the upper atmosphere, simulating the greenhouse- arresting eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991. [FN129]" pp. 105-106, Geoengineering: A Climate Change Manhattan Project."

In Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Bases conclusion, the N.A.S. found that the most effective global warming mitigation turned out to be the spraying of reflective aerosol compounds into the atmosphere utilizing commercial, military and private aircraft. This preferred mitigation method is designed to create a global atmospheric shield which would increase the planet's albedo (reflectivity) using aerosol compounds of aluminum and barium oxides, and to introduce ozone generating chemicals into the atmosphere.

This method was the most cost effective, and yielded the largest benefits. It could also be conducted covertly to avoid the burdens of environmental protection and regulatory entanglements.



Tests have been done on the fallout of said chemtrails and are usually found to contain absurdly high levels of Barium and Aluminum among other bacteria and pathogens..
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?s=7339345
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ctarticle12.shtml
http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?w=4&c=4&p=14&n=1&m=-1&z=3&x=0

Morgellons disease appears to be a relatively new disease that sprung up virtually overnight and is related to this phenomena.

The ice crystal explanation appears to be the standard disinformation, but the fact is many of said 'chemtrails' often occur below the altitude and required temparature where ice crystals can form.

I don't have time to do a ton of research in this, but chemtrails or no this is something worth looking deeper into.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Shroomism]
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during the 3days of grounded planes after 911, this was the only time they could study the phenomenon.

and the correct term is Contrails not Chemtrails..

Chemtrails is a conspiracy theorist generated word. 


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
Morgellons disease appears to be a relatively new disease that sprung up virtually overnight and is related to this phenomena.



not even close, it's been documented for many years it's just
recently that someone gave it a new name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons
read the history, it's interesting

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Morgellons (also called Morgellons disease or Morgellons syndrome) is a name given in 2002 by Mary Leitao[1] to a proposed condition characterized by a range of cutaneous (skin) symptoms including crawling, biting, and stinging sensations; finding fibers on or under the skin; and persistent skin lesions (e.g., rashes or sores). Current scientific consensus holds that Morgellons is not a new disorder and is instead a new and misleading name for known illnesses.




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The ice crystal explanation appears to be the standard disinformation, but the fact is many of said 'chemtrails' often occur below the altitude and required temparature where ice crystals can form.



upon what are we basing our observations regarding altitude

also many of the sources you cited are just more conspiracy
sites, a news story where some guy collected the crap in jars in
his back yard... quite scientific

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Lays his intllectual sword back in his leather imprinted stap. It looks like we have a deadlock here. No matter, I need not prove anything it was all for shits and wiggles of my intellectual jangles. haha. I could care less if these things existed, wack astronauts, kill them.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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deadlock?

science and the not so common sense disagrees with the whole
theory and most 'evidence' that's presented with it

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Eh one of those things you need to see to believe. Fact's will come in eventually.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Mysterium Fidei]
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seeing doesnt take air samples, it doesnt determine altitude or
temperature or any other fact, all seeing does is say 'look mommy,
there's an airplane up in the sky'

several of us that grew up in the 60s and 70s have already stated
that these trails have been around since aviation, we remember the
same behavior out of them but we were sensible enough to have
learned a little something in science class

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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So seeing a tenth of an inch of orange burnt metal/chemical smelling dust fall out of the sky and cover a small town on a clear night not in a flight path and 150 miles from the nearest large airport doesn't count? :rolleyes:


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Mysterium Fidei]
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So the biggest issue is that there is no scientific evidence to back up the outrageous claims, I've always thought of it this way:

If there was really something sinister like this happening, do you think ANYONE would be allowed to just fly up in the sky, conduct some test, and have him whistle blow on our government?

Hey everyone! Look what the government is doing to us right underneath  our- BLAM! Snuffed.

Likely scenario or not?

Because the greatest country on earth would NEVER stop freedom of speech.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: crummydustbunny]
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Mysterium Fidei said:
So seeing a tenth of an inch of orange burnt metal/chemical smelling dust fall out of the sky and cover a small town on a clear night not in a flight path and 150 miles from the nearest large airport doesn't count? :rolleyes:




not without samples being tested, it could simply be iron rich dust from a blast site or simply blown in

crummydustbunny said:
Hey everyone! Look what the government is doing to us right underneath  our- BLAM! Snuffed.




unlikely, it would look pretty suspicious to his colleagues whom
would release the information, if they were to die then it would
look really suspicious to the whole country

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