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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: usefulidiot13]
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To all those skeptical about why noone has gone up to test them, Germany is a country that already has. Here is a live broadcast from a news station in Germany from a few years ago.



Subtitles are apparent, images act as obvious connections to what they speak about and the music reeks of potential cover up.

Facts are facts, the proof is seems to be apparent in the pouding, skeptics please lock and load, this one is making me feel uncomfortable.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Hrunting]
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Hrunting said:
comments regarding the open mind (or lack thereof) are valid in this instance.

rather than let the OP have his way with his very own thread, the "debunkers" chose to take a huge crap all over his attempt at communication.

dont wanna talk about chemtrails? then dont.



I certainly want to talk about chemtrails but no one on the 'believer' side of the discussion is willing to discuss chemtrails much further than 'you have a closed mind', you cant expect people to lose skepticism based on an argument that goes "chemtrails are killing us"
"I'd like to see proof that they exist"
"look up in the sky"
"sorry man, looking in the sky isnt a chemical analysis"
"ORGONE ENERGY dundundun!!!!"


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but if you try to keep US from talking about them, then you have an issue or two.

which is why i asked: does this subject make you uncomfortable?


no one is stopping you from talking about it, we're just seeking
tangible evidence, you cant tell me that in the 30 years that
this has had widespread 'believers' that not a single legitimate,
educated scientist scientist has said "it's real, no point in
researching further because a psychologist said chemtrails and
orgone energy are just real", any that had the slightest inkling
that they may be real would surely have gotten at the least some
private funding to do samples of the air, samples that the
presenters of this argument are yet to produce past a few we
pages that are simply selling products that aid in feeding the
paranoia of the already paranoid

lets look at these pages, a couple of devices that measure conductivity it skin, got sweaty feet, wow, your orgone energy levels are off the charts, another that measures stray voltage or electromagnetic currents near high voltage power sources, several books that simply validate the paranoia for 'believers'
http://www.orgonelab.org/cart/naturalenergy.htm



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if it does, and you take my advice and research reich, tuskeegee, flouride etc, you may become much more uncomfortable. in fact the clinton administration declassified some horrific stuff from the day about testing on an unsuspecting US population. kids given radioactive breakfast cereal, public release of radioactive and disease bearing gasses to model the effect on a city population, etc. the CIA admitted in the mkultra hearings that thousands of us citizens had been given LSD and other agents without their knowledge as part of a secret test program.


wow... loads of stuff that have no bearing on the topic at hand, first, everything is radioactive, irradiated foods arent uncommon, it's a well known treatment used in destroying microbial life that assist food spoilage and illness, while I dont care for irradiated tomatoes it seems that they wont grow without some source of radiation, we call it the SUN

Reich was a crackpot, researched him, he was proven to be a
snake oil sales man because non of his ideas were in the
slightest bit provable, a little electronics knowledge and a
degree in psychology and suddenly he's a god to the 'believers'
while every  scientist in the world laughed at him... surely not
all of the million scientists and researchers are in on the plot

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PS i got a cat box or 2 y'all can De-Bunk if yer really inta that kinda thing. its got a fatty spreading in it right now


I thought you wanted discussion about the topic, not to
condescend a difference in opinion because the way most of us
see it, your cat box is filling up with your argument

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pps re reich i found this in about 1 minute theres a bunch more, mostly from europe where the AMA couldnt interfere.

http://www.orgonelab.org/bibliogDISS.htm



you've found nothing, a few dozen people that have written
papers that no one is able to review because it's simply a
bibliography citing as sources a bunch of laymen, not a single
PhD, M.D., B.S or even a single meteorologist or climatologist

lets see the air samples taken from the streams of the 'chemtrails'

lets see scientific proof that Reich's experiments were
validated by someone in a university, it's easy for someone to
buy an army surplus neutron counter and detect radiation and
claim 'look, here's proof' but that doesnt make it proof


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Again, I personally believe these theories are ridiculously out there and they would never come close to being a part of mainstream culture, besides a hot topic of discussion to some pot-heads.

A cull in nessecary the Pack is to big, it will destroy ignorantly, until it can become educated enough. This will mostly only occcur when the pack is smaller than one billion or less. Honestl people 7 000 individual Millions of people. 7 000 000 groups of 1000 people exist on the earth and counting. This is ridiculous.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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"we can state with 97% certainty that we have our hands on chemtrails, fine dust containing polymers and metals used to disrupt radar"

except it only appears on meteorologic radar and no sampling was
done, since regular old clouds show up on meteorologic radar how
do we know it's not anything more than jet exhaust and ice
crystals that formed on the dust in the air, much like rain does

"it is obvious that enormous regions are being polluted with clandestine actions, but all this needs to be made public, the government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting populations" -Johannes Remmel

his page, translated, I certainly cant see where he'd be
unbiased as the CEO of an environmentalist corporation,
certainly doesnt show any tangible evidence
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.johannes-remmel.de/&ei=fYk2SoOvAcfBtwfozIjFCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Djohannes%2Bremmel%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

suspicious aircraft, counterfeit satellite imagery, illegal
weather manipulation, etc... nothing that provides any sort of
proof of anything as these people did nothing to take samples,
they simply made speculation and got a news agency to broadcast it


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: usefulidiot13]
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usefulidiot13 said:
i love how there is no proof of what they are whatsoever, but in the first post it says,

"These chemical sprays are of growing concern, as they are increasing in volume, and frequency".

why does everyone instantly think these are chemicals? 
how do you know that they are increasing in volume and frequency? 
growing concern?...where?


sry you guys can have your opinions just like me, but this shit cracks me up.


Mainly the area of the Antelope Valley.
And since when is Jet exhaust NOT chemical in nature? :rolleyes:

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: crummydustbunny]
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crummydustbunny said:
And since when is Jet exhaust NOT chemical in nature? :rolleyes:


since when is water not chemical in nature


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: crummydustbunny]
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So you are saying the chemicals in chemtrails are H2O and CO2?  :rolleyes:  Those are called contrails.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: DieCommie]
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surely there's a few other chemicals as well, unburnt hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, sulpher and other stuff
commonly found in the exhaust of a jet

isnt antelope valley in the flight path of LAX


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Touché.

This is all good stuff. Even though we've strayed off topic.

Reading sites that believe in the existence in chem trails can be overwhelming, given the amount of BS you can find.

It's refreshing to read some people with strong conviction.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Somewhat, it is about 1 1/2 north. Trailing isn't as prevalent in the LA basin as it is out here in the Valley.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: crummydustbunny]
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I think it's important to establish the validity of 'chemtrails'
before anyone can legitimately say that they live in an area where
they exist other wise almost everyone does or no one does


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: crummydustbunny]
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crummydustbunny said:
Somewhat, it is about 1 1/2 north. Trailing isn't as prevalent in the LA basin as it is out here in the Valley.



1.5 miles south by southwest from antelope valley to LAX, seems
those cool ocean breezes may have something to do with the valley
getting those trails while most of LA county doesnt

can you see jets from antelope valley on approach to LAX, many
possibly directly overhead...  sure seems like these are nothing
more than commercial airliners taking direction from air traffic
control in order to avoid collisions over populated areas


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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It's very rare to see commercial jets out here.

Almost everything in our sky is either a C-130 or some kind of military aircraft (b2, f22, etc).

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: crummydustbunny]
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so it's a lot of military craft, + air currents drifting in from
the LA valley, I'm 60 miles north of atlanta and we get commercial
and military jets overhead


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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"except it only appears on meteorologic radar and no sampling was
done, since regular old clouds show up on meteorologic radar how
do we know it's not anything more than jet exhaust and ice
crystals that formed on the dust in the air, much like rain does"

This is the other side of the argument. What if's are just as useless as this intangible evidence.

You must have only watched the beginning Pris, touche'. The guy you quoted was a part of the Green Party, not the owner of an environmental company.
In this broadcast, it is obvious that these are not formed from Rain, snow, etc. They, the German army admitted that these clouds were made by them and that they are of materials, which they undoubtable claim are harmless. (57 seconds into it) Same part, just before that "Federal Army claims that only a small amount of materials were spread" Logic says that a 350 KM cloud will, that appears out of nowhere and that the army admits to having a part in propagating requires massive amounts of materials to be disseminated. These are also being sprayed at low altitudes.

Here is a newscast, in the USA. What alarms me is at the end, when the poison control talks about the sample tested, with high levels of Barium, they misrepresent information, and say that "No one has called into poison control center with complaints" When actually, logic says that barium at this exposure is something that causes only longterm term problems with the immune system causing degenerative disease. To an ignorant retard, this is easy to pass as nothing, cause obviously if no one calls with complaints about BARIUM poisoning this must not be a problem even if it is true. I mean obviously the average individual can tell if they are coming under barium poisining. This part can be found as the FINAL word in this broadcast.

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=Chemtrails+news&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

Who wants people to suffer from degenerative disease? Who could possibly profit from this? None other than the second largest industry in America and the world - the sellers of medication. Wanna bet they also have enough money to make sure the owner of this stations spreads the obvious disinformation in this broadcast, to spread a sense of neutrality on this issue?

Again, the AVG individual is to stupid to see this. Its time for a cull.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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CULL CULL CULL!

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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
You must have only watched the beginning Pris, touche'. The guy you quoted was a part of the Green Party, not the owner of an environmental company.


so a politician, much like Al Gore with his Global Warming
Carbon Credits scam, in the 1970s the big scare was global
cooling, 'we're heading for another ice age', same song and
dance with a new face


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In this broadcast, it is obvious that these are not formed from Rain, snow, etc. They, the German army admitted that these clouds were made by them and that they are of materials, which they undoubtable claim are harmless. (57 seconds into it)



The armys admited to excersizes in the area, the news report at
57 seconds says 'only a small amount of the material was spread
and that it's not harmful', exactly what material are they
referring to, as there's o army spokesman there's no way of
knowing what the hell they're talking about


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Here is a newscast, in the USA. What alarms me is at the end, when the poison control talks about the sample tested, with high levels of Barium


through samples collected how? in a news story that cites
another news story as a source for accurate information, it
shows people that are 'doing research on their own' including
some guy that simply works for the poison control center in his
area, wow, such credentials. there's thousands of poison control
centers, all tax funded NPO, independent call centers filled
with telephone 'techs' that read from a computer, how can these
guys conclude something is barium when it's highly reactive with
air, it's used in making bricks, air scavengers, drilling oil
wells and guess what, doctors make you drink it when they're
using x-rays to diagnose some illnesses



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Who wants people to suffer from degenerative disease? Who could possibly profit from this? None other than the second largest industry in America and the world


top 20 in the US

1. Wal-Mart Stores
2. Exxon Mobil
3. Chevron
4. General Motors
5. ConocoPhillips
6. General Electric
7. Ford Motor
8. Citigroup
9. Bank of America
10. AT&T
11. Berkshire Hathaway
12. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.
13. AIG
14. Hewlett-Packard
15. IBM
16. Valero Energy
17. Verizon Communications
18. McKesson
19. Cardinal Health
20. Goldman Sachs


this places 2 companies in 'health care' in the top 20, cardinal
health manufactures supplies and machinery, not drugs, can you
point to the pharmaceutical company since retail,  oil, autos,
IT, financial and telecom seem to beat out that #2 manufacturer


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Again, the AVG individual is to stupid to see this. Its time for a cull.



too stupid to see what, that no scientific evidence is presented
regarding 'chem-trails', plenty of people are smart enough to
see through the sham


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Industry you douche, Industry. Walmart Sells Pharmaceuticals, you douche. lol Kidding. Atleast about the douche part, your pretty smart in my books, pretty spot on. Alot of loose ends there, that both of us wouldnt even be able to answere. Potential exists for both cases. The part that sticks out is the facts about 350 km clouds appearing to quickly. Cloud formation is something that occurs pretty gradually. True there is no spokesperson...hmmm. toche'. lol touche' old chapo.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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"The global health care industry was valued at US$4.34 trillion or 10.07% of global gross domestic product in 2005." This speaks for itself, especially when you consider this being only the manufacturing of the pills, not by necessity all of the chemicals used to make them. Which is a whole other industry in itself, a very large on says my friend Dupont and Dow.

Draws his intellectual Sword - Readies his gaurd. Swing swing, TOUCHE'!

Ref. I cant buy the expensive report, but they atleast gave this stat on the intro. Its the third presented report in the list by By: Cygnus Business Consulting and Research

http://www.marketresearch.com/search/results.asp?sid=89366271-449891422-528700065&query=health+care+Industry&ckcategoryid=1610&cmdSubmitLt=Go

Read it and Weep, Prisoner # 1. I should change my name to Prisoner # 1's Bitch to Prisoner # 1 Warden that lets him be ganged bangged in the back storage by shall we say, above average black guys...

:uptosomething::peace:


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Re: *OFFICIAL* Chemtrail location guide [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said:
Industry you douche, Industry.


I liested the largest industries not just the largest companies

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Alot of loose ends there, that both of us wouldnt even be able to answere. Potential exists for both cases. The part that sticks out is the facts about 350 km clouds appearing to quickly. Cloud formation is something that occurs pretty gradually. True there is no spokesperson...hmmm. toche'. lol touche' old chapo.


it's easy to explain, contrails, as illustrated in the picture I
posted earlier contrails dont just come from jets although it
occurs far more readily, they form from water vapor finding
something to cling to, emissions from jet exhaust leaves
particles in the air, combined with the disturbed air and the
cold temperatures at high altitudes it allows rapid formation

ride in a jet sometime, in the trailing edge of the wing is
usually a device called a vortex generator, you can see the
formation of contrails off of them if conditions are right in
lower atmosphere, easily when you're at 27,000 feet


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