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Pessimism ?
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Ive been reading and participating in conversations on this section of the forum and it occurred to me that far more people have a negative outlook in general.
Whether its the future , humanity , environment .. etc.. you know the drill..

Now.. all theories , metaphysics  and all in all the "new age" stuff , as it has been labeled ...
Lets put all that aside..
My wondering was.. why have a negative outlook in general.. (and i truly dont mean to debate on what you perceive as negative) .. lets assume that it is understood what i mean and that this time  i am not very interested in semantics or the relativity of personal perception.
Plain and simple.. what is the benefit , or the motivator for a pessimistic attitude when it comes to humans  and our future on this planet..
And.. furthermore.. how do you perceive such an attitude to be helpful if you , by some means already see the situation as very bad  .. and perhaps in your view .. beyond repair.
What could possibly be the reason , purpose .. and what kind of effect do you see a pessimistic attitude has on that which has been perceived as negative , or simply not productive or useful for humanity as a whole.
I am not saying we should laugh and giggle about the situation..
Nor am i saying a tear of compassion should not be shed..

But where do you draw the line ?
Do you run from one side to the other constantly ? From extreme to extreme..

Where do statements like "My future will be better than most peoples " come from ?
f.e. how is that helpful ?
And if you dont think your helping hand is needed..
Then why bother being negative about it in the first place ?
If the negative attitude is accepted.. and then put into motion by only one person that likes what your saying .. it would IMO only perpetuate the cycle you are being negative about..

This is something that confuses me..
Wherever you find yourself in this post.. feel free to share your opinion.


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: jivJaN]
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Pessimism is a route to acceptance as much as optimism is. No matter what one's outlook on life is, all she has to do is embrace that outlook and acceptance will emerge.

Ultimately everyone is attempting to lift herself up to the status of god. Whether you see ugliness as emergent from beauty or beauty emergent from ugliness, it's only a shift in perspective looking at the same paradigm.


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I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it, but now that dream is over and the insect is awake

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: jivJaN]
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jivJaN said:
Where do statements like "My future will be better than most peoples " come from ?



I said that one, so it came from me. :smile:
You got a problem with me saying that?

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: jivJaN]
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Quote:
lets assume that it is understood what i mean and that this time  i am not very interested in semantics or the relativity of personal perception.



I believe it impossible to properly respond with these limitations.


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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: jivJaN]
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Negative is a value judgment same as positive. Both are meaningless outside of subjectivity. What's negative to one may be realism to another.

"Mommy  I saw starving people on TV, why is that Mommy? Now junior turn the channel and don't be negative. Mommy wants to take a nap":satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: Redrawing]
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Redrawing said:
Pessimism is a route to acceptance as much as optimism is. No matter what one's outlook on life is, all she has to do is embrace that outlook and acceptance will emerge.

Ultimately everyone is attempting to lift herself up to the status of god. Whether you see ugliness as emergent from beauty or beauty emergent from ugliness, it's only a shift in perspective looking at the same paradigm.



Amazingly perceptive post.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: spyder]
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Quote:
You got a problem with me saying that?


Now say it in your best young De Niro voice.


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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Are you talkin' to me?

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: spyder]
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Work on the staredown and make it a touch more threatening.


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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I was talking about fear of the unknown and projecting it onto the future. I am not generally pessimistic, I think I have some areas that I have been conditioned to have fear about.

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: Redrawing]
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Redrawing said:
Pessimism is a route to acceptance as much as optimism is. No matter what one's outlook on life is, all she has to do is embrace that outlook and acceptance will emerge.

Ultimately everyone is attempting to lift herself up to the status of god. Whether you see ugliness as emergent from beauty or beauty emergent from ugliness, it's only a shift in perspective looking at the same paradigm.


Yes.. I agree.
But i tried steering away from these kind of observations though , and maybe i didnt emphasize it properly..
I wasnt expecting anybody to read my mind.

The question is simple..
Lets say.. You see all people as being irreparably selfish and destructive , thus are future on this planet according to that behavior.. And no matter what kind of belief system you have forged for yourself.. i would argue we all have things we wish for.. and if you wish to self-destruct.. than you wouldnt be here discussing it..
You would be attempting death right now.
So.. unless there is some special way.. of claiming these things without being hypocritical ..
The question remains..What is the purpose of this pessimistic attitude.. and then..
Why spread it around unless you have a hidden agenda of destroying the same humanity you are inevitably a part of. (but that is a different discussion, for a different section of the forum)


Quote:
I said that one, so it came from me. :smile:
You got a problem with me saying that?


My apologies friend..
I know it came from  you and it was partly an inspiration for this thread. I have no problem which cannot be solved.
My only issue is not understanding. And i am widely open for just this.
Excellent that you have decided to join in on this conversation. I mean nothing bad.. And if you have  found it inappropriate that i have quoted youf , please let me know and the OP will be edited.

Quote:
I believe it impossible to properly respond with these limitations.


Again.. I agree.
Perhaps that exact sentence does not serve me purpose properly.
What i was trying to do is not get to involved in the whole good and bad thing.
I personally believe such concepts are illusory , and a whole other thread could be dedicated to this issue , although it has been done countless times before.

Pointing to the core of my questioning once more..

If you do not see a bright future..
If you do not see "MAN" as positive from your POV
If you do not see things changing for , lets say .. only your  benefit..
How does the pessimism help ?
Of course.. the pessimistic attitude in itself proposes no transformation.
Thus.. i see it as a trap.
A paradox.
And i am confused even more when this attitude takes properties of projecting itself onto others. Its a pointless pointlessness ..
Does anybody get me ?


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: spyder]
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think I have some areas that I have been conditioned to have fear about.

Really? How unusual.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: spyder]
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I don't think pessimism as a choice. I see things and react "negatively" spontaneously.

Now, I try not to show it, since I feel I am somewhat spoiling the party.

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: Kukaracha]
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It may feel spontaneous but in realty it's just a long running program based on past modes of thought that pops up without conscious consideration now.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: Icelander]
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It has a lot to do with the medium for communication I think.


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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: Redrawing]
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Redrawing said:
Pessimism is a route to acceptance as much as optimism is. No matter what one's outlook on life is, all she has to do is embrace that outlook and acceptance will emerge.

Ultimately everyone is attempting to lift herself up to the status of god.



God is trying to lift himself up in us...

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: Mastamike1118]
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God is a shaft up your ass.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: Icelander]
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Are you sure that is not Bart?


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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: jivJaN]
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Some years ago, there was a study which proved a correlation between pessimism and 'intelligence'.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Pessimism ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Perhaps it would be intelligent from my part to be pessimistic on the probability of this study being valid.

But.. i am still interested if you have more information ..
A link maybe ?

:smile:


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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