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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Death
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The inevitable reality of death is something that is extremely difficult for me to come to terms with.  However, it is not my own death I fear but rather the death of my loved ones.  I have been extremely fortunate to have lived this long without having had to experience the death of anyone close to me.  In fact, I haven't even experienced the death of a pet as I have never had any.  I have very few people in this world, but those few are very dear to me.  Unfortunately, many of those closest to me have been afflicted with rather serious health problems, and one can't help but wonder when their day will come.

I simply can't imagine how one would cope with the death of someone who has been an integral part of their life for so long.  When you become close to someone, you eventually become familiar with that person's personality and all of the subtle quirks that make them who they are.  Then, upon death, all of that is gone, forever.  You are left with a motionless corpse.  The mere thought of losing the person who has always been there for me, no matter what the circumstances, is just unbearable.

Death is so permanent.  The fact that once someone dies, you will never again be able to talk to them, spend time with them, ask them for advice, or see them in person again literally crushes my soul.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I feel the same.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I simply can't imagine how one would cope with the death of someone who has been an integral part of their life for so long.



You'll live.

You never get over it fully, but you will find a way to cope with it. Important is to not hide from the grief but letting it blast you to the fullest. Once you hit rock bottom, the only way left is up.


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Death is so permanent.  The fact that once someone dies, you will never again be able to talk to them, spend time with them, ask them for advice, or see them in person


Says you. That's a belief you hold, not objective reality. In an infinite universe of finite possibilities, eternal reincarnation in every possible way to me seems the only sane option.

You use them for this life yes, but you and them share Eternity.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #3]
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You lose them for this life yes, but you and them share Eternity.


Fixed

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #3]
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"Says you. That's a belief you hold, not objective reality. In an infinite universe of finite possibilities, eternal reincarnation in every possible way to me seems the only sane option."

Says you. In an infinite universe with infinite possibilities, saying that there is only one truth is pure ignorance. However, I agree there are endless possibilities. So now lets add logic. The chance that we die and nothing else ever happens is a possibility...but if we add logic we would want to know the percentage of that possibility. Forget what you have been taught, forget what your 'traditions are, forget what you believe and stop telling people to side with only one possibility, forget all the ideas you've been socialized all your life to think. Now you are left with millions of viable possibilities but more importantly your left with truth.

Take a logical approach. You accept and follow a certain path, but when you do that, you do more than accept nothing after death (as an example), you deny all other possibilities. Thinking logically the chances that you are correct siding with only one possibility vs, the chance one of the other possibilities are the way things actually are is much much higher. That is why it is important to accept ALL possibilities.

So now that we have established a infinite universe with infinite possibilities when one dies; there being nothing after death could be real, but the chances are very slim. As slim as they are in you decing on any aftermath of death becasue the truth is NO BODY WHO IS ALIVE knows. Simple as that.

As far as death and how you prepare, it is a natural thing in life. Enjoy your life live it how you want and thus it will be a fulfilling life no matter what. Accept death as the process but more importantly accept the fact that anything is possible after death so it is not true at all whatsoever to say that you have lost a person forever.

We all die, death claims us all. But we could not live forever, it is a necessary end. You will join your loved ones soon enough, and those who love you will join you soon enough. It is the life cycle, I believe life is much too complicated for nothing to happen after death but maybe not I accept both possibilities a live accordingly.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #4]
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Remember it is only hard to except all possibilities if you have been taught otherwise and cannot let go and disassociate yourself from everything you've ever known and think purely again. Humans minds need an answer to the end, ironically the answer is...there is no answer. That will scare most people...and enlighten others. No one knows what the moments after death hold. No one. This is a FACT.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #4]
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Says you.


Yes says I :yesnod:
We only have personal opinion to go on. Loving yours by the way :thumbup:

I believe in an infinite universe with finite possibilities though.

Theres only so many atoms in the universe, and so many atoms to a gram of matter. Its LEGO - the possibilities seem endless but its a gobsmacking yet FINITE number of ways you can put it together - theres only so many things atoms can do in a gram of matter, or a galaxy-sized gunk of matter

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #1]
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To the OP:  The time has come for you to step onto the path and become a seeker.  With intent and some, so called, time, you will find the answers you are looking for.

I will, however, assure you that there is no end to this dance we call consciousness.

As far as the path, may I humbly suggest you start with a question.  "Is reincarnation real?".  Make it your mission to find out the answer.  Dedicate a week's worth of spare time to reasearch it.  Even if you don't presently believe in reincarnation, don't let that stop you from reading the opinions of people that DO believe in it.  At the end of it all you will be better informed and in a better position to either confirm or dismiss you present belief that reincarnation is not a part of our reality here on earth.

How this relates to your present situation, you see, is that once you realize how this reincarnational game works, you experience a feeling of calmness wash over you when it comes to dealing with death.  All the fear dissipates.  Death is like the last day of school before summer holidays and is an exciting event to be celebrated.  The non-physical aspects of YOU are eternal and exist outside of time and space.  Your memories, your beliefs, your feelings, your emotions, your relationships, they are all still intact at death.  Your personality, with the knowledge of it's true identity and nature returned, simply goes on to bigger and better things.

The truth is good news, seek it out!

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Even believing there's more after our physical death, having someone you love die is very hard.  I don't recommend it but alcohol was how I dealt with the multiple losses I had in a very short time.

It's kind of sad that you have all your loved ones around to spend time with and you instead  worry about them dying.  Don't, just enjoy them.  Talk to them, spend time with them.  The inevitable will come soon enough.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I'm sorry, #1.

All my remaining grandparents died in the last two years, but I was not extremely close to any of them. I was sad, but not THAT sad. It felt kind of strange.

What that one guy said about letting the grief all hit you at once seems wise.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Anonymous #5 said:
How this relates to your present situation, you see, is that once you realize how this reincarnational game works, you experience a feeling of calmness wash over you when it comes to dealing with death.  All the fear dissipates.  Death is like the last day of school before summer holidays and is an exciting event to be celebrated.  The non-physical aspects of YOU are eternal and exist outside of time and space.  Your memories, your beliefs, your feelings, your emotions, your relationships, they are all still intact at death.
The truth is good news, seek it out!


Funny you say truth, its all opinion including reincarnation. Sounds like your trying to get him to accept what you accept. You saying reincarnation will help with the fear of death by giving an answer. But that answer is not proven is is just someones opinions. An answer such as reincarnation will dissipate your fear of death just as Christians are not scared becasue they will go to heaven and spend eternity with god. Maybe they will. Most likely they wont. Everything is opinionated there is no fact...prepare by being unprepared.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #4]
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like I stated earlier if you can't seek out the truth or answer because there isn't one. One of the hardest concepts humans can't seem to wrap their head around. Stop seeking out anything and discover who you are a live the way you want to live. Everything after that is anyone's GUESS...

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #6]
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Anonymous #6 said:
It's kind of sad that you have all your loved ones around to spend time with and you instead  worry about them dying.  Don't, just enjoy them.  Talk to them, spend time with them.  The inevitable will come soon enough.


You're absolutely right, and I realize this, yet I still worry constantly.  I need to snap out of this type of thinking.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Im 19 and starting to realize i am no longer invincible. Its sad but its true.....ive been granted a human body and ill die with all of you!

Thats the last time i fuck up in heaven! :rofl2:

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
The inevitable reality of death is something that is extremely difficult for me to come to terms with.  However, it is not my own death I fear but rather the death of my loved ones.  I have been extremely fortunate to have lived this long without having had to experience the death of anyone close to me.  In fact, I haven't even experienced the death of a pet as I have never had any.  I have very few people in this world, but those few are very dear to me.  Unfortunately, many of those closest to me have been afflicted with rather serious health problems, and one can't help but wonder when their day will come.

I simply can't imagine how one would cope with the death of someone who has been an integral part of their life for so long.  When you become close to someone, you eventually become familiar with that person's personality and all of the subtle quirks that make them who they are.  Then, upon death, all of that is gone, forever.  You are left with a motionless corpse.  The mere thought of losing the person who has always been there for me, no matter what the circumstances, is just unbearable.

Death is so permanent.  The fact that once someone dies, you will never again be able to talk to them, spend time with them, ask them for advice, or see them in person again literally crushes my soul.


I recently watched my father die.  I watched him take his last breaths, then he was gone.  It was actually amazing... suddenly there was no life there, and his story was over.  It was one of the most beautiful and liberating things I have ever experienced.  I no longer fear death, and I value life more than ever.  Death is the only thing that is truly supposed to happen.  It's the fear that's so painful, not death.

You just gotta realize that everyone else is just a visitor in your life.  You can't hang onto any of them, just enjoy them while they are around.  Possessions too.  Best not to cling to anything in this life, especially people.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #2]
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every time i trip i listen to "do you realize??" seeems to make the concept of death more managebable

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #10]
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i used to be scared of death. then i did dmt.

i am still terrified of people close to me dying but i am learning to come to terms with it more i guess.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #11]
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the worst part about death is looking into an open casket. seeing your relative all plastic-like and painted like a doll just to make viewers feel like they aren't gone yet is so fucked up.

i've seen a lot of dead people, shot in the back, smashed inside a car, decapitated against a guard rail, dead of natural causes, etc. none of it was more hideous or shocking than seeing my grandpa in a coffin all stitched up to look like he didn't die of pancreatic cancer. bullshit.

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Re: Death [Re: Anonymous #12]
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Seeing my grandparents in an open casket had nothing for me. I couldn't even mourn when i saw it, or even bother to talk to it. All they were was a decaying pile of flesh and bone, the life had long left them. It wasn't them, them was gone. It felt totally pointless, and in alot of ways kinda gross.

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