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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
AmericanPsycho said:
That's still different from suicide because they are directly causing grief to the other person.


Motivation aside, suicide still hurts others.  If I drive drunk, I'm not purposely intending to hurt others, and yet it's rather likely that such an act will do so.  Consequently, driving drunk is illegal.  The same argument goes for suicide: it might not be your intention to hurt others, but your actions will do so unless your entire family is dead and you have no friends whatsoever.


Agian, driving drunk has the possibility of killing someone or hurting them physically, suicide does not.


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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suicide is a major sin though


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
:drooling:GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH:drooling:

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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: aDoS]
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:foreheadslap:


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: aDoS]
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Are you genuinely a Christian?


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: sweetsweet]
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yes

It saddens me seeing so much discrimination against Christians these days.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: aDoS]
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I don't discriminate against Christians for their beliefs, but at the same time, I can't agree with a government based on them. Our liberal democracy has put itself in quite a pickle here.


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: sweetsweet]
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Our country was founded on Christian values and that's the way it should remain.


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: aDoS]
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aDoS said:
yes

It saddens me seeing so much discrimination against Christians these days.


Because it's an ancient belief, we're smarter than that now.  I mean I feel like we're little children believing in fairy tales and shit.

You're not using common sense :nonono:


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: aDoS]
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This isn't true at all. A good deal of our founding fathers were atheists. I realize that I cannot debate with you about religion, because it's by nature, absurd. That being so, we cannot base the country's laws and regulations on absurdity and personal revelation...obviously.


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: aDoS]
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you should really think rationally about what you believe in.  You use science every day of your life, computers, internet, automobile, your house, your healthcare.  But when you think about where we come from you don't think about science you think it's buy an invisible man in the sky.

It just doesn't make any sense.  This isn't alice in wonderland.


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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"logic" and "science" is all Satan's work. Trying to create pagans.


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: aDoS]
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So you think the computer you are using right now is one of "Satan's" tools?? Come on man, get a grip, for the sake of humanity!

Your computer comes from the result of the scientific method.

Edited by AmericanPsycho (12/07/08 05:10 PM)

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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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what are you typing about?


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"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley
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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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I think there is a great deal of worth in the irrational, Dionysian aspects of life. I'm an atheist also, but I can't help but feel that science is merely another overpowering ideology to adhere to in attempts to grasp, or explain in totality, the ways of the universe. Feyerabend wrote a really provoking essay about this in "Scientific Revolutions".


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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AmericanPsycho said:
:awesome:  we're heading in the right direction then


Absolutely, but it's going to be a slow process.  The other day I gave a speech to my Communications class about how assisted suicide should be made available to everyone (basically the same argument from my 'Assisted Suicide' thread) and it damn near started a riot.

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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: sweetsweet]
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sweetsweet said:
I think there is a great deal of worth in the irrational, Dionysian aspects of life.


like what?


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: it stars saddam]
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it stars saddam said:
AmericanPsycho said:
:awesome:  we're heading in the right direction then


Absolutely, but it's going to be a slow process.  The other day I gave a speech to my Communications class about how assisted suicide should be made available to everyone (basically the same argument from my 'Assisted Suicide' thread) and it damn near started a riot.


What happend exactly?  Did you get a lot of dirty looks or did anyone say something to you?


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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Non-religious transcendence, for example. Sexuality, aspects of art, dreams, etc.


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
The intent of a law is to decrease suffering and pain in people's lives.  This is why we outlaw murder, torture, and sadistic acts.

A suicide relieves the individual of suffering, but propagates it to countless others.  By your logic we should legalize torture because it makes the torturer happy.


this is obviously false on its face, because the law you propose infact prolongs suffering and pain. 

your not only making mortally ill people suffer out there lives, but potentially making their family members suffer.  a true loving family member would likely want their relatives wishes to be carried out, even if this is death

Torture is involuntary, so were talking about something wholly different and completely irrelevant.  this is a forceful act against anothers will.

assisted suicide is consensual, and not an forceful act of aggression. 


You never answerered me, so i'll ask again


Where do you get the authority to control others' body's?


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Re: Assisted suicide in Montana legalized. [Re: sweetsweet]
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sweetsweet said:
Sexuality, aspects of art, dreams, etc.


well yeah those things are a normal part of human life.

I understand why some grown adults can still think like a child about the subject of how we got here.  But they need to come to their senses about it or keep it to themselvs because it's causing other people grief and I'm sick and tierd of it.

Like you said "we cannot base the country's laws and regulations on absurdity and personal revelation"


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