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Invisiblethedefone
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Pervez Musharraf Resigns.
    #8796650 - 08/19/08 05:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Chicago Tribune - Musharraf leaves Pakistan at a crossroads

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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The resignation of President Pervez Musharraf on Monday ends an era in Pakistan and could pave the way for a stronger civilian government that is more independent from the army than any government in Pakistan's 61-year history.

But it also could open the door to more political uncertainty and the potential that no one in the ruling coalition will be able to take charge of the troubled nation at a critical time, analysts said.

Everything depends on what happens next — including whether the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, who replaced Musharraf in the post last November, continues to distance the army from politics and focus on fighting extremists, and whether the ruling coalition political parties can work together.

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What's next? 

Will the civilian government distance itself from the U.S., or is now a good time for them to re-examine/reinforce their relationship with us?  Will the civilian government allow the autonomous tribal authorities to continue their cross-border activities into and out of Afghanistan?

Will the Army maintain a comfortable distance from the civilian government, or will they still be the invisible hand guiding the actions of the nation?  Is it even possible for the civilian government to effectively govern when Pakistan's history is so closely tied to military influence?

Will Pakistan destabilize now thanks to the vacuum left by the absence of the strong/solid leadership that has been in place for the last 10 years, or will the nation begin to stabilize precisely because this cause of so much discontent among the population has now left the stage?

Either way, Pakistan is a very large, very strong nation that plays an integral role in global politics, and the shakiness and instability there over the last ~2 years has left much of the world wondering what to expect.  Now seems to me to be the most critical crossroads on the path of Pakistan, and we should all be paying attention. 

What do you think?


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: thedefone]
    #8796694 - 08/19/08 05:19 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Who will take over and control Pakistan’s nukes?


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8796743 - 08/19/08 05:28 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

We're gonna miss him when he's gone.


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8796751 - 08/19/08 05:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

And is Obama still going to start a war with Pakistan?

:rocket:



"taking the fight to al Qaeda in Pakistan."

Barack Obama


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8796759 - 08/19/08 05:32 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

> Who will take over and control Pakistan’s nukes?

Take over?  The same people that have been in charge of the nukes will remain so...


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8796774 - 08/19/08 05:34 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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And is Obama still going to start a war with Pakistan?

:rocket:



"taking the fight to al Qaeda in Pakistan."

Barack Obama



Do you even know what it means to take something, "out of context?"
Also, that's an incredibly cheap shot, and a weak attempt to change the discussion.


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: thedefone]
    #8796800 - 08/19/08 05:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

thedefone said:
Quote:

And is Obama still going to start a war with Pakistan?

:rocket:



"taking the fight to al Qaeda in Pakistan."

Barack Obama



Do you even know what it means to take something, "out of context?"








:rolleyes:







"US presidential candidate Barack Obama has said he would use military force if necessary against al-Qaeda in Pakistan even without Pakistan's consent."


"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will"

Barack Obama





http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6926663.stm





is Obama still going to start a war with Pakistan with Musharraf gone?



it was a serious question?


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: thedefone]
    #8796802 - 08/19/08 05:39 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Barry did say that he would go into Pakistan after bin Laden whether the Pakis wanted him to or not.


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: Seuss]
    #8796816 - 08/19/08 05:41 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
> Who will take over and control Pakistan’s nukes?

Take over?  The same people that have been in charge of the nukes will remain so...





the U.S. ?


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8796987 - 08/19/08 06:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The way I see it there are two different lines of thought here. One says that we should take the fight against terrorism to Pakistan and Afghanistan, and away from Iraq (where it doesn't belong); and the other being that we should be able to attack al-Qaeda wherever they are regardless of any objection. 

You did a pretty good job of twisting that quote around.  Attacking al-Qaeda in Pakistan, and, "start[ing] a war with Pakistan," are not necessarily mutually inclusive.  Personally, military action in Pakistan without their approval seems like a pretty bad idea, and not something I would put past John McCain.. regardless of what he may say.

As for nukes, gross instability in Pakistan could lead to unwanted nuclear proliferation.  That would be bad

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the U.S. ?



I LOL'd. As if..  :what:


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Re: Pervez Musharraf Resigns. [Re: thedefone]
    #8797078 - 08/19/08 06:20 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Report:

Pakistan nukes already under US control:



"In a stunning disclosure certain to stir up things in Washington's (and in Islamabad and New Delhi's) strategic community, the journal Stratfor reported on Monday that the "United States delivered a very clear ultimatum to Musharraf in the wake of 9/11: Unless Pakistan allowed US forces to take control of Pakistani nuclear facilities, the United States would be left with no choice but to destroy those facilities, possibly with India's help."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Pak_nukes_already_under_US_control_Report/articleshow/2556824.cms



:shrug:


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