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Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/frank.marijuana/index.html

(CNN) -- The U.S. should stop arresting responsible marijuana users, Rep. Barney Frank said Wednesday, announcing a proposal to end federal penalties for Americans carrying fewer than 100 grams, almost a quarter-pound, of the substance.

Current laws targeting marijuana users place undue burdens on law enforcement resources, punish ill Americans whose doctors have prescribed the substance and unfairly affect African-Americans, said Frank, flanked by legislators and representatives from advocacy groups.

"The vast amount of human activity ought to be none of the government's business," Frank said during a Capitol Hill news conference. "I don't think it is the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time."

The Massachusetts Democrat and his supporters emphasized that only the use -- and not the abuse -- of marijuana would be decriminalized if the resolution passes.

The Drug Enforcement Administration says people charged with simple possession are rarely incarcerated. The agency and the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy have long opposed marijuana legalization, for medical purposes or otherwise.

Marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance, meaning it has a high potential for abuse and no accepted medical use, according to the ONDCP.

"Smoked marijuana has not withstood the rigors of science -- it is not medicine and it is not safe," the DEA states on its Web site. "Legalization of marijuana, no matter how it begins, will come at the expense of our children and public safety. It will create dependency and treatment issues, and open the door to use of other drugs, impaired health, delinquent behavior, and drugged drivers."

Allen St. Pierre, spokesman for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), likened Frank's proposal -- co-sponsored by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas -- to current laws dealing with alcohol consumption. Alcohol use is permitted, and the government focuses its law enforcement efforts on those who abuse alcohol or drive under its influence, he said.

"We do not arrest and jail responsible alcohol drinkers," he said.

St. Pierre said there are tens of millions of marijuana smokers in the United States, including himself, and hundreds of thousands are arrested each year for medical or personal use. iReport.com: Is it time to legalize pot?

There have been 20 million marijuana-related arrests since 1965, he said, and 11 million since 1990, and "every 38 seconds, a marijuana smoker is arrested."

Rob Kampia, director of the Marijuana Policy Project, said marijuana arrests outnumber arrests for "all violent crimes combined," meaning that police are spending inordinate amounts of time chasing nonviolent criminals.

"Ending arrests is the key to marijuana policy reform," he said.

Reps. William Lacy Clay, D-Missouri, and Barbara Lee, D-California, said that in addition to targeting nonviolent offenders, U.S. marijuana laws also unfairly target African-Americans.

Clay said he did not condone drug use, but he opposes using tax dollars to pursue what he feels is an arcane holdover from "a phony war on drugs that is filling up our prisons, especially with people of color."

Too many drug enforcement resources are being dedicated to incarcerating nonviolent drugs users, and not enough is being done to stop the trafficking of narcotics into the United States, he said.

Being arrested is not the American marijuana smoker's only concern, said Bill Piper of the Drug Policy Alliance Network. Those found guilty of marijuana use can lose their jobs, financial aid for college, their food stamp and welfare benefits, or their low-cost housing.

The U.S. stance on marijuana, Piper said, "is one of the most destructive criminal justice policies in America today."

Calling the U.S. policy "inhumane" and "immoral," Lee said she has many constituents who are harassed or arrested for using or cultivating marijuana for medical purposes. California allows medical marijuana use, but the federal government does not, she explained.

House Resolution 5843, titled the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008, would allow "a very small number of individuals" suffering from chronic pain or illness to smoke marijuana with impunity.

According to NORML, marijuana can be used to treat a range of illnesses, including glaucoma, asthma, multiple sclerosis, HIV/AIDS and seizures.

Frank, who is chairman of the Financial Services Committee, said about a dozen states already have approved some degree of medical marijuana use, and the federal government should stop devoting resources to arresting people who are complying with their states' laws.

In a shot at Republicans, Frank said it was strange that those who support limited government want to criminalize marijuana.

Asked if the resolution's passage would change his personal behavior, Frank quipped, "I do obey every law I vote for," but quickly said he did not use marijuana, nor does he encourage it.

"I smoke cigars. I don't think other people should do that. If young people ask me, I would advise them not to do it," he said.
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If HR 5843 were passed by the House, marijuana smokers could possess up to 100 grams -- about 3½ ounces -- of cannabis without being arrested. It would also permit the "nonprofit transfer" of up to an ounce of marijuana.

The resolution would not affect laws forbidding growing, importing or exporting marijuana, or selling it for profit. The resolution also would not affect any state laws regarding marijuana use.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Oh and by the way it's a bipartisan bill - look who the sponsor from across the aisle is.

OneMoreRobot3021 said:
Frank's proposal -- co-sponsored by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas




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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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i will smoke to that.


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What Would Dexter Do?

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: usefulidiot13]
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:gethigh:


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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It has no chance but I'm really happy to see this happening.  I'm convinced we'll see it decriminalized within the next 20 years.


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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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I doubt anything is going to change. but if it does.. :bouncysmoke:


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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: g00ru]
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I haven't much doubt at all that I'll see pot decriminalized in my lifetime.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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how wonderful it would be!


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What Would Dexter Do?

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Imagine a movie like Pineapple Express or a show like Weeds 40 years ago.  I know there was Cheech and Chong and shit like that but marijuana is now a common theme in media aimed directly at the middle class.

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: usefulidiot13]
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usefulidiot13 said:
how wonderful it would be!



*will be

It all starts with a positive, forward-thinking attitude. Think inevitability.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Can you imagine all the fines they would miss out on if they didn't bust all those drug users? Some police departments get to keep any money that is seized in drug arrests and use it to buy stuff for their departments. I wouldn't be surprised if some small town depts almost rely entirely on drug fines for funding.

I would love for this to pass, but I don't see it happening.

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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I think you can trace a lot of it straight to the internet.  I can say for a fact that without the internet I would never have done psychedelics, and I never would have known half the shit I do about weed.  The internet does so much to get rid of the baseless misinformation that has plagued the drug culture for decades.


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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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People will be selling weed by the quarter ounce left and right!
This bill will clearly be a danger to our children.


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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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good point.


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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
I haven't much doubt at all that I'll see pot decriminalized in my lifetime.



if it happens just think of how it's going to fuck up insurance
companies providing workers comp, I wonder if past criminal
convictions will be expunged?

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: it stars saddam]
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it stars saddam said:
marijuana is now a common theme in media aimed directly at the middle class.



that middle class is the very same people that were smoking weed
20-30 years ago, it may surprise you to know that at least half
the cops believe these drug laws are a waste of time, more that
half would like to see the prohibition ended and a few currently
do little to enforce those laws now

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
I haven't much doubt at all that I'll see pot decriminalized in my lifetime.



I was talking to a friend of mine at the bar the other night. He's an old guy, so he's seen a lot happen.

He had a pretty valid point that I found interesting.

Prohibition of Alcohol ended when they were trying to bring an end to The Depression. The government was wasting extra money on trying to enforce anti-alcohol laws.

Given that we're currently facing a huge economic crisis, legalizing marijuana would be an excellent way for the government to save money.

Perhaps Bush will end up inadvertently helping the pot smokers by his driving the economy into the ground.

What do ya think? Possible, just maybe?

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: Gumby]
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YAY BUSH!



ugh..i feel dirty now!

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: Gumby]
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Alcohol is much more widely and vastly consumed by the general populace than marijuana, despite what we as a small sample of the pot-smoking populace may think. I don't think it's really such a valid point..


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Top story on CNN.com right now: Legislators aim to snuff out penalties for pot use [Re: themange]
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themange said:
YAY BUSH!

ugh..i feel dirty now!




yeah... you cant wash that off

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