Lndrydusting said:
JH05 said:
Lndrydusting said:
Honestly they do that shirt when you're a baby for a reason... mainly a health reason.
No. Circumcision has no medical benefit, aside from making you not have to directly wash your cock.
The benefits of circumcision include:
Decrease in physical problems involving a tight foreskin [408].
Lower incidence of inflammation of the head of the penis [162, 168, 172].
Reduced urinary tract infections.
Fewer problems with erections, especially at puberty.
Decrease in certain sexually transmitted infections (STIs) such as HIV, HPV, chlamydia, syphilis in men and their partner(s).
Almost complete elimination of invasive penile cancer.
Decrease in urological problems generally.
http://www.circinfo.net/health-benefits-and-reviews.html
Lndrydusting said:
JH05 said:
All bullshit.
Cuz you're a doctor right??? Thats what I thought! Just because you don't want it to be true doesn't mean its not!
You don't have to be a doctor to recognize a fallacious argument! Your argument is called an appeal to authority because you say http://www.circinfo.net/health-benefits-and-reviews.html is true simply because they say so! AHH!
I'm going to put forth the real issues for and against circumcision then for fun I'll post a video that is entirely an argumentum ad consequentiam for effect. Sometimes it's essential to play devils advocate when arguing, so here it goes!
Secular Reasons For Circumcision:
1.Lower chance of urinary tract infection (UTI) in first year of life.
Evidence for:
Studies show that circumcised boys have a 1 in 1000 chance of UTI, vs. 1 in 100 chance for uncircumcised boys.
Evidence against:
UTIs are rare in boys and are easily treated.
2.Penile cancer prevention
Evidence for:
Cancer of the penis is three times more common among uncircumcised men than circumcised men, among whom the disease is virtually nonexistent.
Evidence against:
Penile cancer affects only one in 100,000 older men and is related to sexual behavior.
3.Lower risk of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)
Evidence for:
Some studies have shown that the risk of STDs, vaginal disorders in partners, and HIV are lower for circumcised men.
Evidence against:
Risk is only slightly lower, and sexual behavior is a much better predictor of sexually transmitted disease frequency and type.
4.Cleanliness
Evidence for:
Uncircumcised males risk infection of the foreskin.
Evidence against:
Simple education about good hygiene virtually eliminates this risk.
5.Prevention of a more complicated circumcision later in life
Evidence for:
There are sometimes medical reasons for circumcision, such as phimosis (a condition in which foreskin retraction is impossible); post-infancy circumcisions are painful and carry a higher risk of complications.
Evidence against:
Phimosis and other penile conditions requiring circumcision are not very common and not generally considered a valid reason for routine circumcision.
6.A son should "look like" his father(the reason my parents had me circumcised)
Evidence for:
Some people worry that there may be confusion or even psychological problems if the father's penis is circumcised and the son's is not.
Evidence against:
Boys won't necessarily "look like" their fathers in all ways anyway -- hair color, eye color, body shape all may differ -- as may the penis.
7.Worry about being "strange"
Evidence for:
In the past, some adult men have requested circumcisions because they have heard from sexual partners that their penises were "strange," they were teased as children or they felt embarrassed in locker room situations.
Evidence against:
The statistics have changed so dramatically that, whatever your decision, your baby is unlikely to be considered "strange%u201D in this regard. (In any case, children should be taught to respect individual differences.)
Secular Reasons Against Circumcision
1.No medical reason for the circumcision
Evidence for:
Why remove a part of an infant's body that functions perfectly well? Circumcision interferes with the way nature intended the body to be.
Evidence against:
For full-term healthy infants, few risks are entailed in removing the foreskin, while there are some possible medical benefits.
2.Fear of complications
Evidence for:
As with any surgery, risks are involved, including excessive bleeding, infections or injury to the penis. There are also cosmetic concerns, as the foreskin can be cut too long or too short or can heal improperly.
Evidence against:
Complications are very rare. This is among the safest of surgical procedures; cosmetic complaints are rare. The complication rate is thought to be one in 200 to one in 500.
3.Pain of the procedure and the memory of the pain after the procedure
Evidence for:
Studies show infants experience substantial pain from the procedure, as shown by increased heart rate and blood pressure; the "memory" of the pain lasts, as infants circumcised without analgesia have increased sensitivity to vaccinations at four months.
Evidence against:
The AAP now recommends that some form of pain relief be used for all circumcisions. Complications from these pain medications are rare.
4.Possible risk of conditions that develop because a foreskin is not present
Evidence for:
When the foreskin is removed, the glans can become irritated, causing the opening of the penis to become too small. Ultimately, this leads to urination difficulties and requires surgery. Other possible conditions are tight, painful erections or adhesions and skin tags.
Evidence against:
Penile problems developing on a circumcised penis are uncommon.
5.Worry about decreased sexual sensitivity
Evidence for:
Some people feel the glans toughens up without its protective cover, and the penis is desensitized.
Evidence against:
No study has shown that circumcised men experience less sexual pleasure.
6.Lack of consent for a potentially life-changing operation
Evidence for:
Why not wait until the boy has the chance to choose for himself? Subjecting an infant to an unnecessary surgery that will change his body is unfair.
Evidence against:
Later in life, circumcisions are more painful and more dangerous. Parents have to make many life-changing decisions on behalf of their infants; that%u2019s the nature of parenthood.
7.Financial reasons
Evidence for:
In some areas, insurance companies or Medicare will not cover the cost of the circumcision (viewing it as an elective procedure).
Evidence against:
Many circumcision costs are still covered within the U.S. (but not in Canada); you must check with your insurance provider to verify. The surgery is generally not expensive.
There are good reasons for and against circumcision, I do believe that the arguments for circumcision are pretty weak though... this leads me to believe circumcision is (at least in American culture) motivated by religious and superstitious convictions. I also think that the reason so many (not much more that half the population) find circumcision repulsive is due to an unjustified moral zeitgeist analogous to religious preferences... I.E.: You could have easily been brought up to accept someone with an intact foreskin if the culture allowed such. There is no objective reason to stipulate an uncircumcised penis is inferior to a circumcised one.
Now remember; this video isn't an attempt at a cogent argumentative point. It's more of a segue into the emotional impact of neonatal-circumcision. Again, THIS IS AN APPEAL TO CONSEQUENCES! I don't put it up as any sort of argument in this arena!
Take from this video what you will!
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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
Edited by wyldeman007 (07/12/08 03:28 PM)
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