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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: afoaf]
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by 2009 i predict pizza will only be available by pickup :eek:

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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: JT]
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I delivered for 7 years and surprisingly I found that delivering pizza does not require that much gas, at least in the city.  Wear and tear seemed to almost rival gas cost, with all the stop and go.

Moral of the story, if you need food delivered - somebody will do it.  :stoned:

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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: DieCommie]
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it's true I've been a delivery guy too


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
Actually it's closer to 5%....where did you get your numbers from?

http://www.mees.com/Energy_Tables/crude-oil.htm



actually, from that graph..

March 2007: 30,630 Total; 26,030 OPEC
March 2008: 32,410 Total; 29,890 OPEC

So OK.. I'll admit I peeked at OPEC not total by mistake. Production's up 6% overall, OPEC production is up well over 10%. Somebody's slacking.


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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: blowback]
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blowback said:
The there is a false shortage of oil.

Peek oil is a fraud and the elite are keeping prices up, while artificially keeping the supply is low.


Is everything always a conspiracy?

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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
When I started driving gas was 29 cents and it has gone only upward since then.


Didn't the prices fall dramatically after they rose dramatically in the seventies? :strokebeard:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: Redstorm]
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> China's demand is up less than 5%.

Percentages can be misleading. For example, 5% of 300 million isn't that much compared to 5% of 1500 million. (US population vs China population)

China has around 20% of the worlds population, therefore a 5% increase for China is actually a lot more than a 5% increase for any other country in the world (except India).


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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: ScavengerType]
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ScavengerType said:
it's true I've been a delivery guy too


me too lol.

this might not be true for city people, but i went through about 5 gallons of gas per night. so in the past year, that's roughly an additional $5 per night in gas costs, which add up quickly.

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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> China's demand is up less than 5%.

Percentages can be misleading. For example, 5% of 300 million isn't that much compared to 5% of 1500 million. (US population vs China population)

China has around 20% of the worlds population, therefore a 5% increase for China is actually a lot more than a 5% increase for any other country in the world (except India).


china is, i believe, the 3rd largest importer of oil in the world.. behind japan at 2 and 'MERIKA at #1

yes. yes. we're number 1. eat it.


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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
Is everything always a conspiracy?


Here at the shroomery, yes - you should know this by now.

There was an economist article not to long ago about China's drastic increase in demand for most inputs to production - truly shocking numbers.  I gave that issue to a friend once the next week's came (it's a damn expensive magazine to subscribe to - so i pass it on to those who want to read it) so I don't have the numbers anymore... Ah - I just found it.

http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10795714

It's not explicitly about oil - but includes it in a analysis of their quest for resources as they grow.  The articles title is "A Ravenous Dragon".  Not too long - a good read if you're interested in the topic.

Enjoy :smile:

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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Icelander said:
When I started driving gas was 29 cents and it has gone only upward since then.


Didn't the prices fall dramatically after they rose dramatically in the seventies? :strokebeard:


Not that I remember. Anyway the sure as hell got here.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: Icelander]
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wasn't the price increase during the seventies based around the formation of OPEC and peek oil supply in the USA (the main consumer).

As for the china statistic, a 5% increase means that current demand from china increased by 5%. The USA consumes more oil so 5% of US demand would be more than 5% china demand, for now. It should be noted that OPEC only trades 40% of all world oil demands (I'm not sure where I read this otherwise I'd cite). Though after you account for domestic supply and biofuels, I assume, only a small amount is not traded through OPEC. But the important point is that OPEC supply's are not necessarily the entire story for assessing total supply.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Icelander said:
When I started driving gas was 29 cents and it has gone only upward since then.


Didn't the prices fall dramatically after they rose dramatically in the seventies? :strokebeard:


Yes.

But you must realize that particular crisis was political (OPEC oil embargo) or man made.

This one is geological.

You cannot argue with the Earth. When it comes to oil we have already picked the "low-hanging fruit". There is only so much oil in there and at some point it costs more to extract than it gives in energy.

As for Icelander's comment about gas being 29 cents a gallon when he was a child back in the 1930's :tongue: we have had time to absorb the price increase. What we cannot handle is rapid increases in prices and scarcity with anything as crucial as oil which drives our economies and indeed our civilization.

But if it makes people feel better then by all means believe that the All Knowing and All Powerful "They" are working on it in a basement somewhere and a solution is imminent. They will find an answer. They always do.

(Except when they don't).

For the rest of you, I would suggest preparing for economic disruptions and war.

Ask yourself this question:

Historically, when resources have run low did people act rationally, conserve and love their fellow man or did they hit them over the head and take their shit?

Will we act with foresight and head off the crisis or will we wait until it is fully on top of us and too late to avoid tragedy?


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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: zorbman]
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It's on.


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A society whose whole idea is to eliminate suffering and bring it's members the greatest amount of comfort and pleasure is doomed to be destroyed -Thomas Merton

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Re: Gasoline May Soon Cost a Sawbuck [Re: zorbman]
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Wow, a fuckin doomsday scenario. You know if everyone is fighting over oil, the nukes will come out baby.


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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